NFL: Saints Bounty Thread

[AsylumGuido]

(05-12-2012 08:24 PM)Beef Wrote:  No, your "answer" was not only illogical, but it didn't come close to answering every question.

I gave you clear follow-up rational that makes your "answer" not remotely reasonable. But yet again, you're ignoring it.

Hargrove was punished for "pay for injury". Why would he make a declaration about "pay for performance" only???????????

And here's the difference in this situation... Everyone knows that Goodell isn't going to come forward and admit he was wrong because he isn't going to need to. At this point, all anyone in the media REALLY wants, is to just see all the explicit unquestionable indefensible evidence that you don't have to draw inferences from and that can't be spun by biased Saints fans.

The media knows that the Hargrove declaration infers a true bounty program, his involvement, the coaches involvement, and their attempt to cover it up. But just how you continually keep misrepresenting it's real context to spin it to your liking, many others out there are doing the same thing. You, in turn, are using this as indirect support of your illogical and irrational defense. The media and detractors are using it to make money (sensationalizing stories sells).

You're also using the NFL's reluctance to release certain evidence as some how being proof that they are lying and the evidence doesn't exist. And the media is also running away with this because it's "sensational" and helps sell papers and attract viewers. The realists out here, however, understand that it's not prudent to release the names and statements of "Whistle-blowers" because of the dangers and ill effects it can create for them by doing so. Conveniently, though, you are choosing to ignore that as well.

As for your question, I think every coach and player from the Saints who has been punished to date, is guilty of participating in pay for injury bounties, pay for performance rewards, and lying to NFL investigators or attempting to cover it all up.

And I believe that because of the combination of Hargrove's declaration, William's recording, the "pay me" comment after Farve was knocked out of a game that has been well documented, Mary Jo White's independent analysis and overwhelmingly damning summation which asserts there are multiple independant sources who have come forward and confirmed everything, and the no-brainer logic that the NFL isn't so dumb they would create a massive conspiracy without proper evidence to support their actions.

First, post the documentation, preferably the audio of the supposed "pay me" comment. And post, if you can find it, the exact text claimed.

Next, Hargrove's declaration means nothing and is getting ripped apart as a source of evidence.

Next, what part of the William's statement gives any proof of a bounty system or the cooperation of any player?

Next, Mary Jo's comments and her supposed independence are already getting butchered by the press. It is in your best interest to distance yourself from her if you hope to retain any degree of believability.

You also mention the press running with what is "sensational". You are absolutely right. The same press that was running with the "sensational" that was being released by by Goodell and the league is now running with the more recent "sensational". I would think that the more recent news would be a bit more reliable, wouldn't you? Oops! That would require you to be even vaguely objective to answer. Sorry.

As for "Whistle Blowers", the league has already said that none of the Saints players fit that category. Yet, other sources have identified a "Whistle Blower" that was fired by the Saints in 2009.

The rest of your inane ramblings are all based upon your irrational belief with absolutely no solid proof.

But, I give you a break. Tell me exactly what you think the Saints actually did. Detail it.