NFL: Saints Bounty Thread

[Dale4Saul2Red0]

(05-11-2012 01:06 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote:  The NFLPA never claimed to have not seen it nor did they ever claim it didn't exist. Not once ... ever. They were the ones that helped Hargrove fashion it.

I'm really not sure where you came up with that.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...the-nflpa/

I didn't come up with it. Dude just go the fuck away, you're the only idiot who is still spinning your useless opinionated drivel when facts continue to constantly be thrown in your face. Do your fucking research man. The NFLPA did say those things. You're starting to come across pathetic. Your team got caught, your team is a bunch of punk bitches, your team got punished, DEAL WITH IT!

[AsylumGuido]

(05-11-2012 06:07 PM)Dale4Saul2Red0 Wrote:  http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...the-nflpa/

I didn't come up with it. Dude just go the fuck away, you're the only idiot who is still spinning your useless opinionated drivel when facts continue to constantly be thrown in your face. Do your fucking research man. The NFLPA did say those things. You're starting to come across pathetic. Your team got caught, your team is a bunch of punk bitches, your team got punished, DEAL WITH IT!

Did you even read what you just posted? You said the following:

"Funny thing about all this Hargrove and NFLPA stuff is that the NFLPA actually read the signed declaration and they were the ones who handed it in to the NFL yet they tried to claim they haven't seen it and it may not exist. NFLPA is led by a fucking moron."

Below is what was at the link you posted. Now where in all of this does it state that the NFLPA ever claimed they haven't seen it? And where in there does it state that they claimed it doesn't exist? It doesn't. I'm sorry, but it really appears that you are somewhat confused.

The Saints bounty scandal has taken yet another curious turn.

Attached to the grievances filed Thursday by the NFLPA are the four letters sent by Commissioner Roger Goodell to the players who have been suspended, subject to appeal.

One of the letters is addressed to Packers defensive end Anthony Hargrove, who according to the NFL has confessed to various actions in a signed declaration. Previously, we’d assumed that Hargrove signed the declaration at the behest of the NFL — and we wondered when/if Hargrove would disavow the document by claiming that he signed whatever the league put in front of him, a la Frankie Pentangeli.

As it turns out, the declaration wasn’t harvested by the NFL. It was submitted by the NFLPA.

This makes the contents of the declaration far more persuasive, since there can now be no argument that Hargrove was in any way coerced into signing it by the league. It also could create a conflict for the NFLPA regarding the competing interests of Hargrove and the other three players, if Hargrove admits to things that Jonathan Vilma and Will Smith publicly have denied.

The race is surely on to get the declaration. Gentlemen (and ladies), start your Blackberries.

[Beef]

(05-11-2012 05:20 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote:  That is exactly what Goodell and White did with the declaration. The ignored the true context and spun it to mean what they wanted it to mean.

It appears to you that is living in the bizzaro world. Take the time to read what others are saying about the declaration. Nobody of note is saying that it supports the league's claims of proof that players, including Hargrove, took part in a bounty scheme. Nobody! Yet, several stories from publications all over have said just the opposite and echo what I am saying.

Let's just agree to disagree on this point because you do not need any proof.

I don't give a crap what other people have written about the declaration. I have sense enough to use my own logic and I know a lot of people in the world who claim to be smart or should be smart because of their positions of influence who are actually stupid as fuck. You should stop depending on other people to think for you and warp your mind with their bias.

All you've done is quote biased articles that happen to "echo" your obvious bias. I mean, hell, you're posting shit from the fucking Who Day Nation, New Orleans Times-Picayune, and statements from the players and their attorney's and actually commenting on them as if they're objective and using them like they are credible fact.

I'm not going to "agree to disagree". You're littering our FALCONS' community forum with lies and "politely" insulting us on a daily basis.

Hargrove's declaration is bona fide PROOF that the Saints were involved in a bounty program and nothing you can say will change that. And every time you lie about it or try to ignore that real truth, myself or someone else here is going to call you out on it.

Nobody is going to try to lessen their punishment by throwing 2 coaches under the bus for something that didn't even exist.

And, Vitt wouldn't claim Hargove is lieing in this declaration if the context was about telling the truth, that there wasn't a bounty program.

Hargove: Williams and Vitt pulled me aside and directed me to tell the truth that a bounty never existed.

Vitt: Hargove is lieing! I never told him to tell the truth!!!

Seriously, this is what you are trying to say is happening. That's fucking beyond moronic.

You are so delusional and full of shit.

[AsylumGuido]

(05-11-2012 09:02 PM)Beef Wrote:  I don't give a crap what other people have written about the declaration. I have sense enough to use my own logic and I know a lot of people in the world who claim to be smart or should be smart because of their positions of influence who are actually stupid as fuck. You should stop depending on other people to think for you and warp your mind with their bias.

All you've done is quote biased articles that happen to "echo" your obvious bias. I mean, hell, you're posting shit from the fucking Who Day Nation, New Orleans Times-Picayune, and statements from the players and their attorney's and actually commenting on them as if they're objective and using them like they are credible fact.

I'm not going to "agree to disagree". You're littering our FALCONS' community forum with lies and "politely" insulting us on a daily basis.

Hargrove's declaration is bona fide PROOF that the Saints were involved in a bounty program and nothing you can say will change that. And every time you lie about it or try to ignore that real truth, myself or someone else here is going to call you out on it.

Nobody is going to try to lessen their punishment by throwing 2 coaches under the bus for something that didn't even exist.

And, Vitt wouldn't claim Hargove is lieing in this declaration if the context was about telling the truth, that there wasn't a bounty program.

Hargove: Williams and Vitt pulled me aside and directed me to tell the truth that a bounty never existed.

Vitt: Hargove is lieing! I never told him to tell the truth!!!

Seriously, this is what you are trying to say is happening. That's fucking beyond moronic.

You are so delusional and full of shit.

Have you always been such a potty mouth?

[AsylumGuido]

(05-11-2012 09:02 PM)Beef Wrote:  I mean, hell, you're posting shit from the fucking Who Day Nation, New Orleans Times-Picayune, and statements from the players and their attorney's and actually commenting on them as if they're objective and using them like they are credible fact.

I have posted one story from the Time-Picayune in this thread. All of the other have been from NBC Sports, Washington Post and Bleacher Report. As for the Times-Picayune, they have probably published more scathing articles about this subjuect than all other publications combined.

I would even post articles that would support your view, but there aren't any. But, rest assured, you are right and everyone else is wrong.

Have a nice day.

[phocis850]

Agreeing with a private corporation will not sell a paper. Your talking to a group of people that already went through what your going through now. We learned from it.

[ATLBound]

^^^^^ That is so true. No offense to you Guido but even I don't think I was this gone and I was a huge Vick fan.

Then again you have multiple people, basically the brunt of the Saints organization being punished and Vick was only one person who indirectly punished the Falcons.

[Beef]

(05-12-2012 09:05 AM)AsylumGuido Wrote:  Have you always been such a potty mouth?

So you can't come up with a clever spin tactic I guess.

At least answer this question. If Williams and Vitt are allegedly just directing Hargrove to tell the truth, as you claim is the case, then why is Vitt so adamant that he never told Hargrove anything? If the declaration really wasn't about a cover-up, why would Vitt have a problem with what Hargrove said?

I'd also like to know if you understand the difference between being hired as an independent consultant and being hired to fully represent, and if you understand why a consultant has no incentive to lie while a representative does.

[Beef]

Actually, I have more questions for you, Guido.

Can you explain a "rational" reason why Hargrove would try to lessen his punishment by throwing Williams and Vitt under the bus for something that didn't exist?

How would someone directing you to "tell the truth" possibly lessen your punishment?

And if Hargrove isn't trying to get his punishment reduced, then why does the declaration even exist?

And if the declaration is so innocent of a cover-up and it's simply about 2 coaches directing him to tell the truth, then why is he so upset that it went public?

[juraitwaluzka]

(05-12-2012 09:14 AM)AsylumGuido Wrote:  I have posted one story from the Time-Picayune in this thread. All of the other have been from NBC Sports, Washington Post and Bleacher Report. As for the Times-Picayune, they have probably published more scathing articles about this subjuect than all other publications combined.

I would even post articles that would support your view, but there aren't any. But, rest assured, you are right and everyone else is wrong.

Have a nice day.

Really? You do know that's no different than you posting your opinion here. Isn't that kind of like admitting you use an AOL email address?