NFL: Saints Bounty Thread

[AsylumGuido]

(12-11-2012 06:27 PM)ATLBound Wrote:  Its possible. Still an assumption, seemingly more true than before, but an assumption nonetheless

This is why I think that Ginsberg is demanding that all of the transcripts be made public. I'll bet the assumptions while then be seen in a better light.

The NFL, through Tagliabue, are doing there best to handle damage control, but I am willing to bet that it gets MUCH worse for them before this is over. They struck out when the players turned down the settlement yesterday. They struck out again when Vilma didn't drop his defamation suit after today's ruling. They will make their final out when all of the testimony becomes public or when Cerullo is forced to testify at Vilma vs. Goodell.

[papachaz]

(12-11-2012 06:05 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote:  Go back a few posts and you'll find where I addressed this exact quote. The difference between this quote and the much more detailed quotes on why Tagliabue could find no evidence in his own findings is just that. The first quote appears to be letting Goodell off the hook by saying he can see why Goodell came to the conclusion he originally came to, but that Tagliabue himself felt like there was no evidence to come to the same conclusion himself.

I know, it sounds pretty convoluted, but it is all there in black and white.

I think Pay Y covered this best in his short article about it when he said this was to be expected when you get the lawyers involved, and they try to make sure they cover all the bases.

so no one's answered my question, now does the NFL try to fine them? PT clearly said he saw evidence that they were guilty to a degree, whether he allows them to blame it on the environment or not, he said a fine should have been the penalty, but not the suspensions. so do they try to fine them, or just let it go and be done with it........after the suit is dealt with.......

I think it would be sweet if this winds up costing RG his job......

[AsylumGuido]

(12-11-2012 07:37 PM)papachaz Wrote:  I think Pay Y covered this best in his short article about it when he said this was to be expected when you get the lawyers involved, and they try to make sure they cover all the bases.

so no one's answered my question, now does the NFL try to fine them? PT clearly said he saw evidence that they were guilty to a degree, whether he allows them to blame it on the environment or not, he said a fine should have been the penalty, but not the suspensions. so do they try to fine them, or just let it go and be done with it........after the suit is dealt with.......

I think it would be sweet if this winds up costing RG his job......

That is one point where you and I agree completely!

And, no, Goodell would be an idiot to levy fines at this point. Oh, wait, he is an idiot!

[RnB]

I find it fascinating that they lawyered up, hit the gym, deleted FB, etc...

It actually worked. The Saints came out of this bounty scandal pretty clean. If you count losing a season, tarnishing reputations of players and coaches, and proving that our legal system is insane, clean.

[juraitwaluzka]

(12-11-2012 08:20 PM)RnB Wrote:  I find it fascinating that they lawyered up, hit the gym, deleted FB, etc...

It actually worked. The Saints came out of this bounty scandal pretty clean. If you count losing a season, tarnishing reputations of players and coaches, and proving that our legal system is insane, clean.

Works for me.

[Peyton]

Tagliabue said what he said about there being sufficient reasoning for the bounty allegations to help Goodell in the defamation suit.

If he would have just come out and said it was a bad allegation, Goodell would have been in a helluva mess. And it would have embarrassed the league even worse than this has, and I am sure Paul Tagliabue, who loves the NFL, didn't want to do that.

[Drathdon]

(12-11-2012 08:20 PM)RnB Wrote:  I find it fascinating that they lawyered up, hit the gym, deleted FB, etc...

It actually worked. The Saints came out of this bounty scandal pretty clean. If you count losing a season, tarnishing reputations of players and coaches, and proving that our legal system is insane, clean.

+1

[JDaveG]

(12-11-2012 08:49 PM)Peyton Wrote:  Tagliabue said what he said about there being sufficient reasoning for the bounty allegations to help Goodell in the defamation suit.

If he would have just come out and said it was a bad allegation, Goodell would have been in a helluva mess. And it would have embarrassed the league even worse than this has, and I am sure Paul Tagliabue, who loves the NFL, didn't want to do that.

Here's a rather serious question -- how does it help Goodell if it's so transparent that's what he was doing?

It seems to me a federal Judge wouldn't take kindly to being told how to rule by a lawyer and former commissioner. I think this makes a nice yellow journalism sensationalist soundbite, but I don't think it in any way reflects the reality of what goes on in a courtroom.

[Peyton]

(12-11-2012 10:32 PM)JDaveG Wrote:  Here's a rather serious question -- how does it help Goodell if it's so transparent that's what he was doing?

It seems to me a federal Judge wouldn't take kindly to being told how to rule by a lawyer and former commissioner. I think this makes a nice yellow journalism sensationalist soundbite, but I don't think it in any way reflects the reality of what goes on in a courtroom.

Obviously you are an expert on that, and I'm not, but I agree with you. I think his main focus was on saving face for Roger, and just not giving Vilma that bullet, regardless of how effective or ineffective it would have been.

[Peyton]

All that being said......the more I read.....the more I can see that Tagliabue took Roger apart pretty good in his ruling.