NFL: Saints Bounty Thread

[Peyton]

(12-11-2012 05:39 PM)ATLBound Wrote:  This is exactly what I said before and Peyton and Guido basically said I was wrong. I will say it again from what you posted above and this statement below...

"I find there is more than enough evidence to support Commissioner Goodell's findings that Mr. Vilma offered such a bounty (on Brett Favre),"

Tags basically said:

1. Bounties happened

2. Players shouldn't be punished, the organization should

3. Evidence shows Vilma pledged 10k but unsure of intent

I didn't say you were wrong. I just told you to read what he said carefully. He said there are no witnesses. I don't know how he can say there is sufficient evidence when there is no witness, but I do know why he said both.

[Peyton]

I mean, the fact that Tagliabue said there are no witnesses to the $10,000 is a freaking bomb shell, whether people want to admit it or not.

[AsylumGuido]

(12-11-2012 05:39 PM)ATLBound Wrote:  This is exactly what I said before and Peyton and Guido basically said I was wrong. I will say it again from what you posted above and this statement below...

"I find there is more than enough evidence to support Commissioner Goodell's findings that Mr. Vilma offered such a bounty (on Brett Favre),"

Tags basically said:

1. Bounties happened

2. Players shouldn't be punished, the organization should

3. Evidence shows Vilma pledged 10k but unsure of intent

Go back a few posts and you'll find where I addressed this exact quote. The difference between this quote and the much more detailed quotes on why Tagliabue could find no evidence in his own findings is just that. The first quote appears to be letting Goodell off the hook by saying he can see why Goodell came to the conclusion he originally came to, but that Tagliabue himself felt like there was no evidence to come to the same conclusion himself.

I know, it sounds pretty convoluted, but it is all there in black and white.

[ATLBound]

(12-11-2012 05:57 PM)Peyton Wrote:  I mean, the fact that Tagliabue said there are no witnesses to the $10,000 is a freaking bomb shell, whether people want to admit it or not.

I agree. That is definitely a big deal, but Goodell didn't just go off of an eye witness if I recall correctly.

[AsylumGuido]

(12-11-2012 05:57 PM)Peyton Wrote:  I mean, the fact that Tagliabue said there are no witnesses to the $10,000 is a freaking bomb shell, whether people want to admit it or not.

It is called playing both sides of the fence. A truly impartial party would not have made that sort of statement. He obviously found Cerullo as being unbelievable as Cerullo's famous "statement" said he saw money and even handled the money. But then again, he said it was Warner and not Favre.

[AsylumGuido]

(12-11-2012 06:07 PM)ATLBound Wrote:  I agree. That is definitely a big deal, but Goodell didn't just go off of an eye witness if I recall correctly.

It was all based upon the statement by Mike Cerullo. Cerullo claimed he was a witness, but now Tagliabue is saying there are no witnesses. The $10,000 was also notated on a handwritten note provided by none other than Mr. Cerullo, himself. If Gregg Williams didn't witness it then he must have been told about it by someone else because his statement also mentioned $10,000 ... perhaps Mike Cerullo?

[ATLBound]

(12-11-2012 06:11 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote:  It is called playing both sides of the fence. A truly impartial party would not have made that sort of statement. He obviously found Cerullo as being unbelievable as Cerullo's famous "statement" said he saw money and even handled the money. But then again, he said it was Warner and not Favre.

It definitely speaks to Cerullo being unbelievable, but its only an assumption to believe he didn't think the ledger and other things weren't believable.

[AsylumGuido]

(12-11-2012 06:18 PM)ATLBound Wrote:  It definitely speaks to Cerullo being unbelievable, but its only an assumption to believe he didn't think the ledger and other things weren't believable.

Cerullo authored the ledger! The "ledger" and other handwritten notes were all produced by Cerullo. In his statement he even said he kept track of the pool. That in itself may also be a lie. Months ago Ginsberg claimed that Cerullo was the "secret" witness and that he had submitted false documentation. It is beginning to look like that may have been fact.

[ATLBound]

(12-11-2012 06:22 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote:  Cerullo authored the ledger! The "ledger" and other handwritten notes were all produced by Cerullo. In his statement he even said he kept track of the pool. That in itself may also be a lie. Months ago Ginsberg claimed that Cerullo was the "secret" witness and that he had submitted false documentation. It is beginning to look like that may have been fact.

Its possible. Still an assumption, seemingly more true than before, but an assumption nonetheless

[AsylumGuido]

(12-11-2012 06:07 PM)ATLBound Wrote:  I agree. That is definitely a big deal, but Goodell didn't just go off of an eye witness if I recall correctly.

It is as I have been saying all along, Goodell saw an opportunity and believed what he wanted to believe even though Tagliabue said the NFL's own investigators found other witnesses that claimed there was no $10,000 bounty. Goodell based his whole case on someone that Taglibue obviously saw as unreliable once the person was actually cross examined.