NFL: Saints Bounty Thread

[Dale4Saul2Red0]

[ATLBound]

(10-20-2012 02:18 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote:  Oh, and by the way, Joe Vitt has been very vocal and appeared in court and testified in the restraining order case that there was never any bounty program and no Saints player ever intentionally tried to injure any other player for money or not. Considering he has still yet to be reinstated that took some pretty big balls. But, for some reason I think Goodell was afraid of him.

Oh so he told Vitt not to say anything for reinstatement purposes but because he "scared" of Vitt for some unknown reason, then he is allowed. Lmao.

Do you realize how dumb you sound right now?

This post and my previous 2 posts show how you spin things and are expressing them as facts when, as closely you have followed it, you have no clue.

You were wrong about Cerullo and Williams story not matching AT ALL

You try to spin and express as a fact about the coaches being told not to say anything because you dont know.

Then when you realized that we were going to eventually ask why Vitt wasn't told to shut the fux up because he has been vocal, you tried to spin and express as fact that Goodell is afraid of Vitt.

Just think that for a second or two and think "Well maybe Goodell should have told me to shut the fux up"

[AsylumGuido]

(10-20-2012 02:46 PM)ATLBound Wrote:  These 2 statements contradict each other. You have no proof, no source, nothing, nada, zilch to support this except for blind faith and hope.

Yawn. Okay, let's see if I can find those statements from the players that talked with the coaches before their suspensions took effect. I know at least one of them said they saw one of the letters that Goodell sent the coaches telling them not to comment on the case at all in reference to the reinstatement. This may take awhile. It was back in April I think. Listen, why would I make something up like that? The coaches have many more reasons than that alone to keep quiet right now. But, if you want to hear them talk just wait until this goes to court because you can fully expect everyone of them to testify.

The point is that the coaches have absolutely no leverage in the situation. They have no alternative but to sit back and wait. It is ridiculous to interpret their silence as guilt especially since one of them has already come out very vocally in denial and even testified the fact in court.

Sorry, but you are grasping for non-existent straws there.

[ATLBound]

(10-20-2012 02:58 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote:  Yawn. Okay, let's see if I can find those statements from the players that talked with the coaches before their suspensions took effect. I know at least one of them said they saw one of the letters that Goodell sent the coaches telling them not to comment on the case at all in reference to the reinstatement. This may take awhile. It was back in April I think. Listen, why would I make something up like that? The coaches have many more reasons than that alone to keep quiet right now. But, if you want to hear them talk just wait until this goes to court because you can fully expect everyone of them to testify.

The point is that the coaches have absolutely no leverage in the situation. They have no alternative but to sit back and wait. It is ridiculous to interpret their silence as guilt especially since one of them has already come out very vocally in denial and even testified the fact in court.

Sorry, but you are grasping for non-existent straws there.

How am I grasping at straws and how could you of all people call anyone out about that in the 1st place?

I never said they were silent because of their guilt, but I think you are grasping straws at their silence being because of an order.

My boss can't do me wrong and then tell me to keep quiet if I know whats good for me. Thats retarded.

[AsylumGuido]

(10-20-2012 02:53 PM)ATLBound Wrote:  Oh so he told Vitt not to say anything for reinstatement purposes but because he "scared" of Vitt for some unknown reason, then he is allowed. Lmao.

Do you realize how dumb you sound right now?

This post and my previous 2 posts show how you spin things and are expressing them as facts when, as closely you have followed it, you have no clue.

You were wrong about Cerullo and Williams story not matching AT ALL

You try to spin and express as a fact about the coaches being told not to say anything because you dont know.

Then when you realized that we were going to eventually ask why Vitt wasn't told to shut the fux up because he has been vocal, you tried to spin and express as fact that Goodell is afraid of Vitt.

Just think that for a second or two and think "Well maybe Goodell should have told me to shut the fux up"

I have no clue why Vitt has been allowed to be so vocal. Perhaps because Vitt has far less to lose than the others. Vitt is nearing the end of his caeer while all of the others have most of it yet ahead. You may be right. Perhaps it isn't Goodell that is afraid of Vitt. Perhaps it is that Vitt isn't afraid of Goodell.

As for Cerullo and Williams stories matching, Cerullo stated that Vilma came in holding "twin stacks of fives" and offered them to take out Warner. He then said he took the money and gave it to Gregg Williams.

Gregg Williams said that outside of his pay for performance program Vilma supposedly offered $10,000 to knockout Favre, but he wasn't aware of any actual cash and wasn't involved in it.

Now, you have one guy with all kinds of details including cash that he supposedly handed to the other while the other had no details because he wasn't involved and never saw or touched any cash, not to mention that the stories pertained to totally different alleged targets in totally different game.

Next, the one with all the details was fired for lying to management on multiple occasions and the other has his professional future in the hands of the league.

I would classify that as "not matching at all", yes.

[AsylumGuido]

(10-20-2012 03:04 PM)ATLBound Wrote:  How am I grasping at straws and how could you of all people call anyone out about that in the 1st place?

I never said they were silent because of their guilt, but I think you are grasping straws at their silence being because of an order.

My boss can't do me wrong and then tell me to keep quiet if I know whats good for me. Thats retarded.

No. You didn't say they were guilty because of that. Dale one the one that said that. He said their silence was proof of guilt. You just expounded on what he was trying to argue.

[AsylumGuido]

(10-20-2012 02:53 PM)Dale4Saul2Red0 Wrote:  *head shakes*

You can shake that head all you want, but you can't handle it when the answer that you wanted wasn't the one that is right.

[ATLBound]

(10-20-2012 03:13 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote:  No. You didn't say they were guilty because of that. Dale one the one that said that. He said their silence was proof of guilt. You just expounded on what he was trying to argue.

I didn't expound on anything but the fact that you claim Goodell told them to keep quiet in regards to them being reinstated. Somehow Vitt missed that memo but anywho.

Don't assume what I am thinking. I will clearly tell you what I am thinking.

[Dale4Saul2Red0]

Good thing Guido isn't a Penn State fan, he'd be that weirdo defending Sandusky. Even Saints fans think this shctick is lame.

[AsylumGuido]

(10-20-2012 03:28 PM)ATLBound Wrote:  I didn't expound on anything but the fact that you claim Goodell told them to keep quiet in regards to them being reinstated. Somehow Vitt missed that memo but anywho.

Don't assume what I am thinking. I will clearly tell you what I am thinking.

Will do and I appreciate that. And to be honest, I had been surprised at Vitt's apparent disregard for the "instructions", you sparked a very possible answer. Vitt doesn't give a shit. Don't forget that when one piece of Cerullo's evidence came out saying Vitt gave $5000 for something Vitt called Goodell and said he had done no such thing and Goodell said that was a mistake and Vitt wasn't being accused.

That has been a hard one to explain to date. I really think that was when Goodell started worrying about the validity of Cerullo's "documents". Perhaps that is why in June or July Goodell finally got a signed statement from Cerullo as evidence. I think that was to protect his own ass. If things hit the fan and he was wrong then he could throw Cerullo under the bus. He also got a signed statement, the one that didn't match Cerullo's, well after the fact. Probably for the same reason.