NFL: Saints Bounty Thread

[hitwriter]

(09-20-2012 04:26 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote:  Lol!! Yes, I literally laughed out loud while reading this. You, sir, are the one out of touch with reality.

Can we change our sig bet... Instead of a sig until the start of next year's season opener... The team with the better record or goes farthest into the playoffs this year... loser leaves this message board forever!

[ATLBound]

(09-20-2012 04:26 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote:  Lol!! Yes, I literally laughed out loud while reading this. You, sir, are the one out of touch with reality.

Well I tend to agree slightly with what he has said and only in this regards.

There are times you have a logical answer or response to someone or something that goes against the idea that this process went on.

Then, there are times that you have an extremely illogical and biased response or answer.

For example, Gregg Williams and Cerullo has an affadavit confirming the goings on of the Saints' defensive locker room and your responses were.

1.) Cerullo is disgruntled, therefore he is a liar. --- I'm not denying he was disgruntled, but it doesn't make what he is saying a lie. Does it make him more willing to lie? Sure, BUT the other side of it is that it makes him more willing to be a snitch. And altho a snitch is frowned upon in many circles, it doesn't make said snitch a liar.

2.) Gregg's job is being dangled in front of him, therefore he is a liar. --- Once again the illogical response is that Goodell is basically blackmailing him or has his job in his hands so Williams may be lieing. This is beyond ridicoulous in my opinion. If he is found to be lieing, then it looks bad on Goodell, then it's more problems for Gregg. And one would think that Gregg has figures out that lieing is what got him in this perdicament in the first place. So thru logic the only way Gregg would feel obligated to lie about a bounty program or a $10k pledge from Vilma would be if Goodell basically blackmailed him.

3.) Saints defensive players and coaches have no reason to lie --- BS. Everybody has a reason to lie and also I would like to see direct quotes. Saying something in the proper format can be determined the truth but isn't the whole truth.

Etc.) I could go on about Mary Jo White, Hargrove's silence, Smith's silence, but these are the most recent ones.

[AsylumGuido]

(09-20-2012 05:14 PM)hitwriter Wrote:  Can we change our sig bet... Instead of a sig until the start of next year's season opener... The team with the better record or goes farthest into the playoffs this year... loser leaves this message board forever!

No. That would be fair. I feel your input is too important to this board for you to forever abandon the site. No. Our sig bet is just fine. Would you mind reposting it here? I have searched for the complete bet since it has several stages and I couldn't quite remember them all. Perhaps you can link to the actual post.

[Drathdon]

(09-20-2012 05:14 PM)hitwriter Wrote:  Can we change our sig bet... Instead of a sig until the start of next year's season opener... The team with the better record or goes farthest into the playoffs this year... loser leaves this message board forever!

You are going to make his sig say "I, Guido, Believe the Saints ran a bounty program, and paid to injure players" - Right?

[AsylumGuido]

(09-20-2012 05:48 PM)ATLBound Wrote:  Well I tend to agree slightly with what he has said and only in this regards.

There are times you have a logical answer or response to someone or something that goes against the idea that this process went on.

Then, there are times that you have an extremely illogical and biased response or answer.

For example, Gregg Williams and Cerullo has an affadavit confirming the goings on of the Saints' defensive locker room and your responses were.

1.) Cerullo is disgruntled, therefore he is a liar. --- I'm not denying he was disgruntled, but it doesn't make what he is saying a lie. Does it make him more willing to lie? Sure, BUT the other side of it is that it makes him more willing to be a snitch. And altho a snitch is frowned upon in many circles, it doesn't make said snitch a liar.

2.) Gregg's job is being dangled in front of him, therefore he is a liar. --- Once again the illogical response is that Goodell is basically blackmailing him or has his job in his hands so Williams may be lieing. This is beyond ridicoulous in my opinion. If he is found to be lieing, then it looks bad on Goodell, then it's more problems for Gregg. And one would think that Gregg has figures out that lieing is what got him in this perdicament in the first place. So thru logic the only way Gregg would feel obligated to lie about a bounty program or a $10k pledge from Vilma would be if Goodell basically blackmailed him.

3.) Saints defensive players and coaches have no reason to lie --- BS. Everybody has a reason to lie and also I would like to see direct quotes. Saying something in the proper format can be determined the truth but isn't the whole truth.

Etc.) I could go on about Mary Jo White, Hargrove's silence, Smith's silence, but these are the most recent ones.

As to 1.) and 2.), go back and read the declarations (that's right, they weren't affidavits) from Cerullo and Williams. Several key points differ in their accounts. The most important being that Cerullo stated that Vilma had $10000 cash that he put on Warner's head and that Cerullo took the cash and gave it to Williams. Williams said that the $10000 pledge was only spoken and there was no cash and that it was on Favre, not Warner.

At least one of the two ARE lying since their stories are contradictory.

As for 3.), as Dave pointed out, the testimony may not be public information at the time, but it will be.

[AsylumGuido]

(09-20-2012 06:15 PM)Drathdon Wrote:  You are going to make his sig say "I, Guido, Believe the Saints ran a bounty program, and paid to injure players" - Right?

Why would he do that? He's going to lose.

[ATLBound]

(09-20-2012 06:23 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote:  As to 1.) and 2.), go back and read the declarations (that's right, they weren't affidavits) from Cerullo and Williams. Several key points differ in their accounts. The most important being that Cerullo stated that Vilma had $10000 cash that he put on Warner's head and that Cerullo took the cash and gave it to Williams. Williams said that the $10000 pledge was only spoken and there was no cash and that it was on Favre, not Warner.

At least one of the two ARE lying since their stories are contradictory.

As for 3.), as Dave pointed out, the testimony may not be public information at the time, but it will be.

The key point though is that they both pledged that Vilma offered $10k. Why is that not the focus?

Do you really think that both Williams and Cerullo were in cahoots about being dishonest in regards to the bounty and Vilma's offer?

If so, then wouldn't you think they would be smart enough to not provide differing stories on how the $10k was pledged or any other parts of the story that was different.

I don't think they got together at all about the 10K, but they both somehow remember it...hmmmm

The NFL even mentioned that it wasn't "new evidence" but just a writtent out document of what Williams initially told the NFL, because at one point you decided to point to the date of the signed document as to defend your position. Now of course according to you the NFL is being dishonest about that as well because it goes against the Saints.

This is where I agree with BEEF, anything you don't have a proper, accurate, or logical rebuttal to becomes your most common excuse.

Mary Jo was a paid liar

Williams, a "I want my job back" liar

Cerullo, a DISGRUNTLED liar

NFL, a "I'm in this mess now" liar

BUT when do the Saints become liars, when is it logical for this God-fearing bunch of men to become liars in their own right? Why are there so many liars against the Saints? I'm just baffled by this...lol

[phocis850]

(09-20-2012 03:49 PM)Beef Wrote:  I've never seen someone so wrong work so hard to convince people of something that is an absolute 1000% lost cause.

I have.... it's called the Obama presidency.

[AsylumGuido]

(09-20-2012 06:39 PM)ATLBound Wrote:  The key point though is that they both pledged that Vilma offered $10k. Why is that not the focus?

Do you really think that both Williams and Cerullo were in cahoots about being dishonest in regards to the bounty and Vilma's offer?

If so, then wouldn't you think they would be smart enough to not provide differing stories on how the $10k was pledged or any other parts of the story that was different.

I don't think they got together at all about the 10K, but they both somehow remember it...hmmmm

The NFL even mentioned that it wasn't "new evidence" but just a writtent out document of what Williams initially told the NFL, because at one point you decided to point to the date of the signed document as to defend your position. Now of course according to you the NFL is being dishonest about that as well because it goes against the Saints.

This is where I agree with BEEF, anything you don't have a proper, accurate, or logical rebuttal to becomes your most common excuse.

Mary Jo was a paid liar

Williams, a "I want my job back" liar

Cerullo, a DISGRUNTLED liar

NFL, a "I'm in this mess now" liar

BUT when do the Saints become liars, when is it logical for this God-fearing bunch of men to become liars in their own right? Why are there so many liars against the Saints? I'm just baffled by this...lol

Mary Jo was a paid mouth-piece sharing Goodell's "evidence", much of which has since been discredited, with the media.

I'm not saying Williams is necessarily a liar. His statement is probably much closer to the truth. He simply signed a declaration written by his lawyer in conjunction with the league office.

I am definitely calling Cerullo a liar as he has the greatest motive to lie and his story doesn't jive at all with any of the other stories. He has also been proven to be a liar. That is why he was fired. He made up stories to justify leave taken from the Saints during the 2009 season and even during the playoff run. He is a certified liar with a documented history.

The Saints players and coach testified in Federal Court and fielded cross-examination from league lawyers.

Believe what you may, but even Judge Berrigan implied the NFL investigation was "unfair".

[AsylumGuido]

(09-20-2012 07:07 PM)phocis850 Wrote:  I have.... it's called the Obama presidency.

On that count we agree "1000%".