NFL: Saints Bounty Thread

[AsylumGuido]

(09-04-2012 01:05 PM)Beef Wrote:  LOL, please, waste more time explaining things that nobody gives a holy mother fuck about.

You are quite welcome to totally ignore me. I'm sure I wouldn't lose any sleep over that ... one way or the other.

[ATLBound]

(09-04-2012 10:33 AM)AsylumGuido Wrote:  No, you must not have read the whole article.

In a memo obtained by The Associated Press, the NFL said that on Saturday "the officials immediately did an about-face and made clear that they had no intention of settling within the agreed-upon parameters."

This says that the officials had agreed upon numbers and then basically reneged. The officials said they agreed upon nothing but meeting on Saturday.

THIS is supposed to be the lie??????? Wow, like I said before the article is reaching and you are reaching for posting this as your basis for the NFL lieing, but of course you believe it when the refs say the NFL is lieing.

[ATLBound]

(09-04-2012 10:42 AM)AsylumGuido Wrote:  Yes, I agree that the Saints got paid for hard hits that could have caused injuries. They have agreed to that, as well. But, that not what they were accused of doing and it is not what their punishment was based upon. It was based upon a supposed bounty system that targeted specific players for intentional injury for posted amounts. Goodell gave Favre, Warner, Cam Newton and the other that Ornstein joked about in an email as examples. He claimed Vilma offered $10000 to injure Favre and Warner. Vilma has vehemently denied that from the first minute it came out and several people who were in every one of those meeting swore in court that it never happened.

This is what makes the penalties EXCESSIVE, but not FALSE.

[AsylumGuido]

(09-04-2012 04:19 PM)ATLBound Wrote:  This is what makes the penalties EXCESSIVE, but not FALSE.

No, they are excessive because what they were based on didn't happen. It's like someone running a red light and getting accused of stealing a car and getting slapped with twenty years in prison. Then it turns out that they weren't really guilty of stealing the car, but still getting hit with the twenty years for running the red light because they were still guilty of breaking a law.

The penalty is excessive and the charge was false.

The Saints did not have bounties on specific players with the express intent on purposely injuring them as they were charged, convicted and punished.

[ATLBound]

(09-04-2012 04:33 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote:  No, they are excessive because what they were based on didn't happen. It's like someone running a red light and getting accused of stealing a car and getting slapped with twenty years in prison. Then it turns out that they weren't really guilty of stealing the car, but still getting hit with the twenty years for running the red light because they were still guilty of breaking a law.

The penalty is excessive and the charge was false.

The Saints did not have bounties on specific players with the express intent on purposely injuring them as they were charged, convicted and punished.

Did they get paid for hits that caused injuries?

The intent is unknown. I said this when this thing first came out. When you have a program set up to get paid for whacks and big hits, then you have an extended motivation to cause more pain and take pride it in.

Contrary to popular belief, not every football player appreciates inflicting pain or causing harm to the opposite team. The intent may have been there for some of the players.

[AsylumGuido]

(09-04-2012 04:18 PM)ATLBound Wrote:  THIS is supposed to be the lie??????? Wow, like I said before the article is reaching and you are reaching for posting this as your basis for the NFL lieing, but of course you believe it when the refs say the NFL is lieing.

This is what the story relayed. It was about the NFL spreading misinformation, which can be called a lie. This is not my interpretation, although I agree with it, but it is the interpretation of the NFLRA and outlet that reported the story. The NFL is nothing more than an extremely large and powerful corporation and like any other large corporation it is quite capable of doing all sorts of very shady things.

[ATLBound]

(09-04-2012 04:38 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote:  This is what the story relayed. It was about the NFL spreading misinformation, which can be called a lie. This is not my interpretation, although I agree with it, but it is the interpretation of the NFLRA and outlet that reported the story. The NFL is nothing more than an extremely large and powerful corporation and like any other large corporation it is quite capable of doing all sorts of very shady things.

You posted it as a supportive basis for your theory in regards to the Saints. Don't try to act like you didn't. For all we know, this could be a miscommunication. One of the official representatives said one thing and another one said something totally different.

You're just buying into any and everything that shows the NFL in a negative light. Even if it's the bare minimum or something that may not even be true. For someone who hates the media response to everything, u sure do use them a lot.

When all the media outlets were showing the Saints in the negative light, then they were your worst enemy. So it isn't difficult to realize that everybody is against the NFL in regards to the official situation, so any article related to it whether it be something minimal or not, will be read and will most likely be against the NFL.

[AsylumGuido]

(09-04-2012 04:34 PM)ATLBound Wrote:  Did they get paid for hits that caused injuries?

The intent is unknown. I said this when this thing first came out. When you have a program set up to get paid for whacks and big hits, then you have an extended motivation to cause more pain and take pride it in.

Contrary to popular belief, not every football player appreciates inflicting pain or causing harm to the opposite team. The intent may have been there for some of the players.

If the injury came as the result of a bad play or an illegal hit, then no, they didn't get paid. In turn, they would have had to pay a fine to the pot.

And once again, causing pain is what these guys do for a living. Even without any monetary incentive every defense in the league goes over the game tape and the players are congratulated for big hits and whacks (plays where a DB knocks his opponent off his feet).

But, regardless, the Saints were NOT accused of or punished for inflicting pain or causing injury to opposing players. The Saints were accused of and punished for placing bounties on specific players with the intent of injuring them, not just causing pain. And once again, the players and coaches were sure enough that this was not going on that they opened themselves to Federal perjury charges by swearing that this did not occur.

[Radical]

I still don't get the logic that cart-offs are different than injuries.

So let me get this straight, if I pay someone to put you in a body bag, it isn't the same as hiring someone to kill you...

[Radical]

(09-04-2012 04:50 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote:  And once again, the players and coaches were sure enough that this was not going on that they opened themselves to Federal perjury charges by swearing that this did not occur.

With reputation on the line, possible punishment, and potential legal ramifications, I've never heard of anyone lying under oath.