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mdrake34 · 10-30-2012, 02:10 PM

(10-30-2012 02:05 PM)ATLBound Wrote: How could he make a deal with the NFL to be a QB coach? Wouldn't that be up to the coach who hires him? What does that have to do with the NFL offices?

Also looking at the other side of the spectrum. He knew he had info on Vitt and the Saints so he kept it saved somewhere. He knew that if he gave it up that his ability to get a job in the NFL was shot. So he tried to maybe get a job for 2 years and then when he didn't get a job. He decided to get his revenge on Vitt out of frustration.

The deal he was trying to make with the NFL was confidentiality. So that his name would be kept out and possibly still have the option of getting back in the NFL as a QB coach.

My story sounds no more far-fetched than your story and information that only dispute is who handled the money and what the definition of cart-offs mean.

QC Coach = Quality Control Coach, not Quaterback Coach.

AsylumGuido · 10-30-2012, 02:10 PM

(10-30-2012 01:59 PM)RockHoward Wrote: Wait. Vilma originally said Tagliabue was OK and now his lawyers are trying to get him recused? What a two-faced lying bastard. How can anyone trust anything that a saints player or coach or former coach says?

I agree that Cerullo is an unbelievable asshole but that is what it takes to get a job in the Saints coaching staff. I can't wait until Payton comes back and fires Vitt and all of the rest of those clowns and then the real dirt on the Saints organization will start oozing out like a bayou oil spill.

I'm sure Vilma did feel that Tagliabue would be OK, but he wasn't the only one involved and he was blindsided by the question in a post game press conference. It was the NFLPA that raised the biggest stink about Tagliabue, and rightly so. Many of our own members here at AFT have said that Tagliabue should be recused.

And talk about trust? All of the false statements to date on this whole affair have come out of the league office.

Oh, and I too can't wait for Payton to return, although I am afraid you will be disappointed.

By the way, I have never encountered a bayou oil spill that oozed.

ATLBound · 10-30-2012, 02:13 PM

Also when he is saying he was fired for a situation the Saints encourage...

I believe he is talking about lieing

ATLBound · 10-30-2012, 02:14 PM

(10-30-2012 02:10 PM)mdrake34 Wrote: QC Coach = Quality Control Coach, not Quaterback Coach.

Oh my bad...whatever it means. But the NFL offices don't control that.

mdrake34 · 10-30-2012, 02:17 PM

(10-30-2012 02:14 PM)ATLBound Wrote: Oh my bad...whatever it means. But the NFL offices don't control that.

They don't. It's like an internship for becoming a head coach. Here's an article on what they do.
http://www.milehighreport.com/2011/3/11/...l-scouting
The path to become an NFL head coach can be rigorous. An education along with a football background helps. Being able to teach and communicate is an asset as well. However, even if you were born into the middle of a coaching tree (see Kyle Shanahan), you still have to pay your dues to get there. You can take the road through the High school and college ranks in order to gain the background experience necessary, but in many instances you will need to do an internship as a Quality Control Coach.

Contemporary coaches are always searching for an edge over their opponents. Now that the Computer Age is upon us, the analyzing has become more technical. Many of those coaches have assistants called the "Quality Control Coach." However, the QCC doesn't really do much coaching at all. They spend all day multitasking, breaking down film up to five weeks in advance and analyzing data. They work all hours, in hotel lobbies, on airplanes and at their team's headquarters producing reports for their Head Coach. They do get to do some coaching though. The QC coaches often run the "Scout" team in practices. From their extensive film work and breaking down plays, the QCC can be a great help preparing their team because they know the tendencies of their opponents. They make sure the Scout teams give the starters an accurate look at what they'll face on Sunday in practice during game weeks.

Denver Broncos Head Coach John Fox knows just what to do more with the data from his QC Coaches. In addition to being able to call up any game on video, he can pull up any statistic to match that play. "What you do is chart the tendency of that (opposing) coach, so that you can tell your team that 'in this situation it'll always be a run or always be a pass,'" says Fox. "So your team knows what to expect."

Quality-control coaches also learn N.F.L. systems from the long hours spent watching film. In no time they absorb the ins and outs of the chess match known as football and the ingenious distinctions between wins and losses. They also pickup how Pro teams organize their practices and their off-season, weight training and conditioning programs. Having access to the scouting, all the video, the personnel departments and the front office, the Quality Control Coach might be the best on the job training for anyone aspiring to become an NFL Head Coach.

Todd Haley called it:

"The greatest job in football as far as learning."

Tony Sparano added:

"That job was the most valuable experience I had. That was my first piece of work in this league. Quality control rounded me, made me a better coach."

The position as we know it in modern day football was created by Mike Holmgren in 1990 when he was the Offensive Coordinator for the San Francisco 49ers. Mike needed someone to transcribe the Niners Playbook and copy it to a computer. That someone was Jon Gruden. The job also included analyzing opponents, breaking down statistics, tracking and charting plays during games and fetching coffee. Gruden earned a salary of $500 a month, turned 18 hour days and often spent his nights on a cot in the office drawing up plays on his computer. Burning the midnight oil allowed him to pick up the necessary seasoning for his jobs as Head Coach with Oakland and Tampa Bay.

Gruden:

"I was one of the first guys in the 49ers organization to put the game plan on a computer and store the information so that it was accessible next week, next year and later on down the road for future games. Over the years, all of my computer files became outdated because the software improved. We had to hire a couple of guys – we called them the ‘sweatshop’ – to go in there and really do nothing but re-draw all of the plays and re-type all of the information. That’s not a lot of fun, but when you’re doing that you learn the offense. You learn what ‘Zoom’ is and what ‘Slot’ is, and what the difference is. You learn the different protections and blocking schemes and calls that are made."

The list of NFL coaches that have completed an "Apprenticeship" as the QC Coach include Todd Haley, Eric Mangini, Steve Spagnuolo, Brad Childress, Tony Sparano and Raheem Morris. Former Broncos head coach Mike Shanahan's son Kyle did a QCC stint under Jon Gruden with Tampa Bay in 2004 and is now the Offensive Coordinator for the Houston Texans. Don't be surprised if Kyle isn't a Head Coach sometime in the near future. Other NFL sons that are currently employed as QC Coaches are Tony Sparano, Jr., Kevin Gilbride, Jr., Sam Mills III, Bobby April, Jr., Chad Grimm and Ryan Slowik. The Offensive Quality Control Coach for the Denver Broncos is Brian Callahan, son of former head coach Bill Callahan. On Defense, that distinction belongs to Jay Rodgers. Hopefully, the next step up for these QC coaches will be as a position coach.

Tim Berbenich spent his first two seasons (2006-07) as an offensive quality control coach with Tampa Bay. He is entering his fifth season with the Buccaneers in 2010 and second as assistant wide receivers coach.

"Our number one responsibility is to get the coaches prepared to start studying the game plans," Berbenich said. "At the end of the day, I have to draw the plays, and if I don’t know them I can’t draw them. If you don’t know what they’re doing on defense you can’t break the film down. You can’t just know what one guy does, you have to know what all 11 players are doing. As far as drawing the plays and learning the playbook, I learned it all. I had no choice."

That $500 a month salary is roughly $22,000 per year these days. The QC job has become so important that even Special-Teams coordinators are asking for their own Quality-Control coaches, and QC coaches now have agents.

If Quality is Job One as the Ford Motor Company claims, The Quality Control Coach is an essential element to any NFL team.

AsylumGuido · 10-30-2012, 02:18 PM

(10-30-2012 02:03 PM)Beef Wrote: As usual you highlight the portions that you can spin and ignore things like this:

Which of course goes right back to things like "cart-offs" and other evidence that doesn't even come from Cerullo.

Which of course also means that the NFL isn't "resting their case" on Cerullo alone. Yet you insist they are and that's just not true.

And I still find it hilarious that Williams and Cerullo never spoke to each other about the alleged Farve bounty, and that you contend it never existed, but oddly enough they some how came up with the exact same dollar amount of $10k.

I mean, what are the odds? Oh that's right, you think the NFL wrote Williams' and/or Cerullo's statements and they made up the $10k number and Williams and Cerullo just signed them. Because you know, they had to if they ever want back into football. So let's add extortion and bribery to the NFL's offenses I guess.

And forget the fact that you actually admitted a couple pages back that "cart-offs" meant a player was removed from the game for one or more plays. Which is a clear admission that there was a pay for injury program. Because we all know the ONLY reason to leave the field for anything (with regards to being hit) is because the player is hurt. I mean it's not remotely possible to spin that. They paid for hits that hurt other players, period. One play, two plays, the whole game, the rest of the season... it's all the same.

I hope you enjoyed your vacation. You keep expounding on the same issues which have been discussed until we are sick. The supposed $10,000 was public knowledge and may have been a part of a Williams motivational ploy as we (minus you, of course) discussed days ago.

If you can't add anything new maybe you should just avoid the thread. It has a way of upsetting you.

Oh, and they were not punished for paying for hits, a practice the league itself endorsed as long as the pool is player funded, the awards not exorbitant and the hit legal.

AsylumGuido · 10-30-2012, 02:20 PM

(10-30-2012 02:13 PM)ATLBound Wrote: Also when he is saying he was fired for a situation the Saints encourage...

I believe he is talking about lieing

That doesn't make sense. He had to have been referring to "bounties". He wouldn't share with the league that he was a liar.

AsylumGuido · 10-30-2012, 02:22 PM

(10-30-2012 02:14 PM)ATLBound Wrote: Oh my bad...whatever it means. But the NFL offices don't control that.

Of course they don't. But the guy had spent the two previous years trying to get a job in the league and had supposedly even claimed that Payton and Vitt had black-balled him. He doesn't appear to be very bright.

AsylumGuido · 10-30-2012, 02:24 PM

(10-30-2012 02:17 PM)mdrake34 Wrote: If Quality is Job One as the Ford Motor Company claims, The Quality Control Coach is an essential element to any NFL team.

Nice find! I guess it is obvious that disappearing on two separate occasions from that position (once during the playoffs) and then lying about it would definitely get a man fired.

AsylumGuido · 10-30-2012, 02:31 PM

(10-30-2012 02:07 PM)ATLBound Wrote: But overall both my story and your story is just a made up story based on our biased idea of what went down.

One of us could be right or neither of us. I only give thos story because you're blindly speculating based on very miniscule facts. And the upsetting part is that you don't realize how biased you are and think that the way you see it is the only way it has to be.

I respect that. But, it only makes sense that I am going to believe the stories of some of the most respected players and coaches in the entire league over the stories of a known liar and a crazy ex-defensive coordinator (allegedly).

But, you must also realize that Goodell based his whole case on "very miniscule facts" and several of those "facts" have since been proven to be incorrect. I simply see the credibility residing in the players court.