NFL: Saints Bounty Thread

[AsylumGuido]

(09-03-2012 05:48 PM)ATLBound Wrote:  They didn't lie about anything. Did you read the article that you posted????

Here's the statement from the memo they sent:

On Sunday, it sent teams a memo saying it upped its offer to the union and thought it was close to a deal, but the union says "there was no agreement ... to do anything other than to meet on Saturday. Any claim that numbers were agreed to before Saturday is absolutely false."

The NFL's memo says it offered more money in order to reach a deal before the regular season started, and thought the union was planning to reach one on Saturday.

They may have THOUGHT that the officials were going to like the offer. They never said it was a done deal. This article showed nothing about misinformation. The only possible misinformation would be if they lied about upping the offer, but the officials never denied that. This is a failed article and faield attempt by the refs to show the NFL in a negative light, unless they get gullible people to not read. Now personally, I side with the refs in the whole matter, but this article is reaching.

No, you must not have read the whole article.

In a memo obtained by The Associated Press, the NFL said that on Saturday "the officials immediately did an about-face and made clear that they had no intention of settling within the agreed-upon parameters."

This says that the officials had agreed upon numbers and then basically reneged. The officials said they agreed upon nothing but meeting on Saturday.

[AsylumGuido]

(09-03-2012 08:44 PM)ATLBound Wrote:  This response is for Guido, but this statement is qupted because it is simple and true.

This can't be said enough. Through all the multiple responses this gets lost in the fold. Don't care about the Gregg Williams audio, the ledger, the mike cerullo, the ornstein email, etc. I already broke it down for anybody with reading comprehension. Goodell is using deductive reasoning. This is why he is saying that Vitt and others admitted to it:

1. Saints players got paid for big hits, whacks, etc.

2. Some of those hits or whacks caused injuries and cart-offs

3. Therefore, Saints got paid for big hits that caused injuries and cart-offs

I've always agreed that some of the suspensions were excessive, but that's only from what I have seen so far. I think there is more evidence. You, guido, don't think there is any more evidence. Neither one of us know, but you act as if you know EVERYTHING there is to know about this. You don't know...you only know what you read and you draw your own conclusion from it, but at the same time you fail to realize that conclusion is the most biased out of ANYBODY on this forum.

Once again...let's wait and see the results and while we wait it can be discussed but don't act like you know the whole story.

Yes, I agree that the Saints got paid for hard hits that could have caused injuries. They have agreed to that, as well. But, that not what they were accused of doing and it is not what their punishment was based upon. It was based upon a supposed bounty system that targeted specific players for intentional injury for posted amounts. Goodell gave Favre, Warner, Cam Newton and the other that Ornstein joked about in an email as examples. He claimed Vilma offered $10000 to injure Favre and Warner. Vilma has vehemently denied that from the first minute it came out and several people who were in every one of those meeting swore in court that it never happened.

[AsylumGuido]

(09-03-2012 11:59 PM)UCSBDirtyBird Wrote:  Doesn't get much more clear than this post.

What was clear about that post is that this isn't what the Saints were punished for doing. No one is saying they didn't do something against the rules. It just wasn't what the league first accused them of and punished them for.

[AsylumGuido]

(09-04-2012 02:50 AM)Beef Wrote:  But don't you remember? He has that one guy who gave him a thumbs up? I mean how can he not know everything after THAT ONE GUY WHO GAVE A THUMBS UP!?

It's a fucking thumbs up, dude. A thumbs up!

He knows he knows, because he just knows he knows. You know?

His heart is omnipotent AND omniscient, for fuck sakes. And no, it's no paradox. If his heart says so, then by GOD it is so. Arguing with his passion, THE PASSION, is futile.

And a source is a source of course of course, and no one can talk to a source of course, that is of course unless the source is as biased as Mr. Guido.

Go right to the source and ask the source, he'll give an answer that only Guido can endorse, he's always on the steady course, bias of Mr. Guido.

People yakkity yak a streak and waste your time of day, but Mr. Guido will never speak unless he has something biased and full of shit to say.

A source is a source of course of course, and this one'll talk 'til his voice is hoarse. You never heard of a talking source?

Well listen to this.

GUIDO IS FULL OF SHIIIIIITTTT!!

If you remember right, that thumbs up was in reference to a deal getting done with Drew Brees. Many of you were having serious doubts that it would get done. I said that someone that I knew asked Mickey Loomis if he was going to get the deal done and I said he smiled and gave a thumbs up. Well, guess what? The deal got done just as I stated.

Now why don't you go back to your nursery play with your rhymes.

[phocis850]

Seriously? We all knew it would get done. You getting a thumbs up meant nothing.

[JDaveG]

(09-04-2012 11:43 AM)phocis850 Wrote:  Seriously? We all knew it would get done. You getting a thumbs up meant nothing.

[AsylumGuido]

(09-04-2012 11:43 AM)phocis850 Wrote:  Seriously? We all knew it would get done. You getting a thumbs up meant nothing.

Most of us knew it was getting done. There were a few gloating over hopes that it wouldn't. That's to whom I had addressed that anecdote.

[Drathdon]

They waited till almost the last minute to get their franchise player signed, and had him miss time he should have been with the team.

Real "thumbs up!" material right there. You told us.

[Beef]

(09-04-2012 10:49 AM)AsylumGuido Wrote:  If you remember right, that thumbs up was in reference to a deal getting done with Drew Brees. Many of you were having serious doubts that it would get done. I said that someone that I knew asked Mickey Loomis if he was going to get the deal done and I said he smiled and gave a thumbs up. Well, guess what? The deal got done just as I stated.

Now why don't you go back to your nursery play with your rhymes.

LOL, please, waste more time explaining things that nobody gives a holy mother fuck about.

[AsylumGuido]

(09-04-2012 12:49 PM)Drathdon Wrote:  They waited till almost the last minute to get their franchise player signed, and had him miss time he should have been with the team.

Real "thumbs up!" material right there. You told us.

He was working out with players on his team all summer long. But, were you one of the ones that was wetting his drawers thinking about the Saints without Brees?