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NFL NFC's top 10 most dynamic duos[ESPN]
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06-30-2012, 05:22 PM
(This post was last modified: 06-30-2012 05:23 PM by Polar Bear Jones.)
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NFC's top 10 most dynamic duos[ESPN]
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07-01-2012, 12:15 AM
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RE: NFC's top 10 most dynamic duos[ESPN]
Few opportunities for double coverages....
We have been hearing this for years. I want this to come true this year. I think with Koetter and the new offense it can happen. |
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07-01-2012, 01:16 AM
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RE: NFC's top 10 most dynamic duos[ESPN]
I hope Julio can become like Calvin on the coverage/jump ball and Matty will throw it up to him. That would make a radical difference.
I don't think the Falcons are quite as hard to cover as writers seem to hint. If TG were still young/capable of stretching the seam, sure. But as is, it's really 2 outside receivers, a slow but sure handed TE, a quick slot guy who doesn't have deep speed, and a back who can't catch. When you think of it from that perspective...it's not that hard to defend, and it's easy to see why cover 2 works so well against us. If HD or TG were a bit faster, radical difference...or if they grab a cheap vet outside receiver, so they can put Julio in the slot occasionally...then it's way different. We need guys in the middle who can really take advantage of safety or LB coverage...and not by getting 6 yards, but by breaking it for a TD. Those guys are fast slots, fast RBs, fast TEs. We're actually so close. I wish they would just get these guys, none of whom are expensive. |
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07-01-2012, 01:46 AM
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RE: NFC's top 10 most dynamic duos[ESPN]
But on the bright side, they have the outside guys...if they'll just get a tall slot and a fast TE, they'll be a matchup nightmare.
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07-01-2012, 08:21 AM
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RE: NFC's top 10 most dynamic duos[ESPN]
This will be the first year defenses will need to move backwards instead of just laterally.
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07-01-2012, 09:52 AM
(This post was last modified: 07-01-2012 09:56 AM by Beef.)
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RE: NFC's top 10 most dynamic duos[ESPN]
(07-01-2012 01:16 AM)takeitdown Wrote: I don't think the Falcons are quite as hard to cover as writers seem to hint. If TG were still young/capable of stretching the seam, sure. I understand your concerns on TG's speed, but HD has 4.4x speed and we've all seen him catch several short slants across the middle, break away from all the defenders, and take it to the house. And TG has a 60" wingspan at 6'5 and can catch anything. He's essentially a possession receiver at this point. Which is just fine considering we have 4 other bona fide receiving options on the field at all times now that can catch the ball then break it open. Don't forget that Turner, Quizz, and Snelling have been taking TONS of receptions out of the backfield now. Julio missed 4 games and still had 959 yards & 8 TD's. How you think Roddy + Julio is easily covered when you consider the defense also has to account for receiving threats coming from the slot and the RB's on top of a HoF TE with the best hands to ever play the position, is baffling. I mean there's maybe 2 other teams even remotely close to having the type of receiving corps we have. We put up 4200 receiving yards last year with Julio missing games, HD being completely under-utilized, and absolutely zero passing game coming out of the backfield. If we're so easy to defend, how did we put up 4200 yards on everyone with such a shitty situation surrounding it? It clearly wasn't "easy" last year, so it sure isn't going to be anywhere close to that this year. This offense is going to be hard as hell to cover and defend in general. They can't double-cover Roddy, Julio, and TG all at the same time and ignore the running game, screen game, and HD or Meier coming out of the slot. If teams keep going to cover-2 with the new system, they're going to get embarrassed repeatedly. |
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07-01-2012, 11:34 AM
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NFC's top 10 most dynamic duos[ESPN]
In other words lets not forget how much Mularkey's system hurt. He did a better job of maximizing his own ego than maximizing the talent.
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07-01-2012, 01:58 PM
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RE: NFC's top 10 most dynamic duos[ESPN]
I am anticipating the fux out of preseason right now. I just want to see some damn crossing routes. Is it too much to ask? Does Mularkey not realize how dangerous it is to see Julio Jones and HD speed running across the defense? I sure do hope Koetter recognizes it. Victor Cruz made a living on short to medium crossing routes bc he is so fast and shifty. Slants are fine and dandy but requires a lot of precision. Give me crossing routes, different combinations of, and screen passes and our offense will be show that speed. Then with Roddy being a possession type receiver along with TG it can't be stopped. I honestly don't care about long passes straight down the field. Obviously we have to do it or show it to keep the defense honest, but do a crossing route and we can be plenty explosive
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07-01-2012, 07:00 PM
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RE: NFC's top 10 most dynamic duos[ESPN]
(07-01-2012 09:52 AM)Beef Wrote: I understand your concerns on TG's speed, but HD has 4.4x speed and we've all seen him catch several short slants across the middle, break away from all the defenders, and take it to the house. And TG has a 60" wingspan at 6'5 and can catch anything. He's essentially a possession receiver at this point. Which is just fine considering we have 4 other bona fide receiving options on the field at all times now that can catch the ball then break it open. That sounds great. I hope you're right. And I do think Mularkey utilized guys poorly. My point is more, when people describe it, they make it sound like we have backs who are serious threats out of the backfield, a TE who can make you really pay for poor coverage, and a dynamic slot. You're right, that TG is just a possession guy at this point. HD is a 4.5 ish slot guy who has a small catch window. I like both of those guys a lot, but I don't get them confused with guys who will abuse you if you try to cover them with a safety. That's what I'm speaking about. I think the two outside receivers are top notch, so the D is going to concentrate on them, meaning you'll make hay on the interior. Imagine just a Lee Evans or Brandon Lloyd type on the outside in 3 receiver sets, and Julio in the slot. How much harder is it to defend that with LBs and safeties? How much more likely is a 5 yard pass to go the distance? A lot of the teams that are winning with the pass game now are winning with the inside players, TEs or WRs who drop down into the slot. That can either be super quick types (Welker etc.), super fast types (Sanders, etc.) or bigger guys who can break tackles (Boldin type). Julio would murder the cover 2. A fast TE would murder the cover 2. I'm curious to see if what we have now can do it just with scheme. Regardless, a 2M/yr receiver or fast TE would enable a myriad of options that would stress a lot more defenses. I just think writers get caught up in TG once being the best TE (he's now solid, but no long threat) and Turner being a beast up the middle, and don't look at how the parts fit together. This team with a competent OC should be good. With more dynamic options in the middle of the field they can be great. (and again, not expensive, because you just get a competent guy for outside and slide Julio inside). With a good scheme, the need for this will become apparent (in a good way, because they'll see how they can utilize the guy) and then maybe we'll get the best of both worlds. |
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07-01-2012, 07:07 PM
(This post was last modified: 07-01-2012 07:15 PM by takeitdown.)
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RE: NFC's top 10 most dynamic duos[ESPN]
(07-01-2012 09:52 AM)Beef Wrote: This offense is going to be hard as hell to cover and defend in general. They can't double-cover Roddy, Julio, and TG all at the same time and ignore the running game, screen game, and HD or Meier coming out of the slot. If teams keep going to cover-2 with the new system, they're going to get embarrassed repeatedly. Wanted to highlight this part. I agree if a couple guys step up, it's a whole different ball game. If HD and Meier become threats, and one can be an outside receiver, then you can do all I said above. If Quizz or Snelling step up and make it such that you have to defend the RUN while they're in there, then this team becomes much harder to defend when they pass. So, I agree with you, if the scheme is implemented well AND HD/Meier/one pass catching back step up, this will be very hard to defend. My main point is it isn't until one of those guys step up. And getting a proven guy to make it the same (either dual RB or outside WR) would have given a lot more room for error. But I hope to see this be a damned difficult O to defend because Meier becomes a valid outside receiver, Julio is making people look like fools from the slot, some RB is making LBs look bad, and routes have enough spacing that the same safety can't double cover Roddy and TG. |
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