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ggp · 03-25-2012, 02:46 PM

(03-25-2012 01:44 PM)Radical Wrote: What were Lofton's grades by PFF? By the numbers, Tatupu did horrible in pass coverage and rushing the passer, while also being inferior to Lofton as run stopping. Look at every scouting report of Lofton and compare them to Dent's. Dent is a poor-man's Lofton who excels at Special Teams.

As is, there's nothing to like about the current situation.Either Dent has to be a flash and play above and beyond himself or Lofa returns to his pre-09 days. It's a, "in TD I trust" moment.

Those PFF numbers were taken while Tatupu was still recovering from a significant knee injury. I know that you are aware of this, what I don't understand is your stubborness. Lofton is gone. We will see him twice a year and he will certainly give us his best effort. Good for him. I am sure that we will get along fine without him.

ChrisD · 03-25-2012, 02:47 PM

(03-25-2012 02:37 PM)DaMeatTrough Wrote: Yes, let's not forget Dent was a second round pick for a reason.

Oops 3rd* Lol. Good catch!

FullMetalFalcon23 · 03-25-2012, 02:53 PM

(03-25-2012 02:02 PM)swanlee Wrote: I like Lofton but he was a liability in coverage and his knee's are going to shorten his NFL career. I think team just didn't bother running against us cause they could always convert 3rd and longs and Lofton was apart of that issue which inflated our run D cause our pass d was so bad.

With better coverage at the LB spot things will balance out and we will come out ahead by getting off the field more after 3rd downs.

Plus Spoon is going to be our defensive leader anyway. I'm totally ok with TD letting him go rather than over pay for him and obviously Nolan did not think he was worth breaking th bank over.

People may flip out over the lack of big names being signed so far but you can't argue that TD is making financially wise decisions, he is not panicking or over paying people, we will be able to make moves when we really need to.

Add to this the fact that next season we will only have 3 free agents to re-sign. That's it over 90% of our roster would be under contract. And it is understood we will have more money. This just isn't one of those times where we couldn't have re-signed someone. We refused to compromise on price. I can respect that because I don't believe this puts our team at detriment. In fact I believe it will allow us to be more open. I really do hope our nickle packages will be spoon and Nich. Because both get it done and well.

pauliwood · 03-25-2012, 02:55 PM

(03-24-2012 10:17 PM)Chuck Norris Wrote:

Piece of shit.

Edit: I appreciate what he did, but I have no respect for him anymore. He'd rather play in NO, with all the shit they're going through, for a little extra $? Don't want that here.

I think we made it pretty clear that we were not interested in him.

When the new defensive coordinator, (who Blank also said he would lean heavily on with roster evaluation) publicly says he sees you as a 2 down linebacker who is a liability in the passing game, well, that's pretty much the kiss of death.

And yes Guido the Saints are crumbling.

The Saints did not "steal" Curtis from us, We broke off the relationship, and like a high-school girl, he ran straight to the chief rival, It's pretty comical from a psychological stand point.

Paprika Neck · 03-25-2012, 02:56 PM

wasn't lofton a 2nd round pick?

**Radical** · 03-25-2012, 03:05 PM

(03-25-2012 02:01 PM)Beef Wrote: I posted a link earlier from PFF showing Tatupu being one of the top LBs in rushing the passer and Lofton wasn't even good enough to qualify for the list.

And I just showed you the grade they gave him, which was piss poor.

pauliwood · 03-25-2012, 03:09 PM

(03-25-2012 03:05 PM)Radical Wrote: And I just showed you the grade they gave him, which was piss poor.

Being 10 on a top 10 list is better than being 11, my point is that even being graded badly on a list, still beats not even making it to the list in the first place, savvy?

**Radical** · 03-25-2012, 03:17 PM

(03-25-2012 02:46 PM)ggp Wrote: Those PFF numbers were taken while Tatupu was still recovering from a significant knee injury. I know that you are aware of this, what I don't understand is your stubborness.

Which is why I said that we're going to have to hope that we get the Lofa from four years ago instead of the one from 2010. I just don't see how anyone can see this as a positive development.

First off, Nolan never came out and said Lofton was a two down linebacker; it was that Pen Pwhatever guy. Second of all, people said Lofton wasn't great at pass coverage. My response is that Lofa's most recent numbers say he's just as bad, if not worse than Lofton, and that every scouting report to come out on Dent is that he is strictly a two down linebacker. So where's the upgrade? Finally, people come back with the response that TD/Smith/Nolan let him go. I say that they may not have offered what he wanted, because he is a free agent after all, and another team gave that to him. It was hardly like they just cut him after bringing in his replacement.

On the side, a few people here who complained about BVG's scheme incessantly are now questioning Lofton. I thought the problem was that our scheme was dumb for putting Lofton on receivers, his blitzes were as obvious and telegraphed as could be, and his entire scheme was unimaginative and predictable. If that's true, then how can you blame Lofton for doing poorly in pass coverage or not having good production rushing the passer? I'm not doom and gloom here, but this isn't something to be excited about. This is entirely an, "in TD I trust move," because counting on Lofa and Akeem on the surface is not a very good alternative to Lofton at all.

Beef · 03-25-2012, 03:17 PM

(03-25-2012 03:05 PM)Radical Wrote: And I just showed you the grade they gave him, which was piss poor.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/201...nebackers/

And I just showed you that they rated him 13th overall LB in pass rushing efficiency in 2010 and 14th overall from 2008-2010.

So check your F'ing attitude and bite me.

**Radical** · (This post was last modified: 03-25-2012 03:21 PM by Radical.)

(03-25-2012 03:17 PM)Beef Wrote: http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/201...nebackers/

And I just showed you that they rated him 13th overall LB in pass rushing efficiency in 2010 and 14th overall from 2008-2010.

So check your F'ing attitude and bite me.

PFF grades provide context, that list does not. This is about like when Swift tried to use Ryan's grading in PFF's revised NFL QB rating stat as a knock on Ryan when their PFF grade had him in the Top 5. I guess you can get mad at PFF too for not telling you what you want to hear.