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(12-18-2011 03:50 PM)mcsupersport Wrote:  The Establishment Clause you so highly push, simply states the Government will not and can not set religion, later Supreme Courts decided it meant something differnent in 1947. Quote from the Wiki: "The phrase "separation of church and state" itself does not appear in the United States Constitution. The First Amendment states that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." The Supreme Court did not consider the question of how this applied to the states until 1947"

You see in the bolded part the most important part, Government can't ESTABLISH a religion and they can't LEGISLATE TO STOP A RELIGION, yet they are doing so. On so called public property, thus property owned by the Government(thus the people) said people can't practice their religion. The People pay for the land, yet they are prevented from use BECAUSE of their religion.

Murder isn't always classified as illegal, as posted in certain condition in Muslim countries, so it is NOT ALWAYS bad in non-christian countries, and that leaves out the Government murder by rulers. Theft, murder, adultery is usually considered Illegal in countries because it harms the "social" fabric of a society, but there is often a large religious or belief set to define laws. Atheist usually don't mind doctor assisted suicide, yet most Christians and most courts see it as murder. As for Adultery, it was usually the women only who had issues committing it, the men historically can take lovers, even young male children in ancient Greece. I don't think we need to discuss the acts of British aristocracy do we?? The Incas and Aztecs often had a ritualized and religious murders to either appease their gods or seek favor. Many Communist rulers, such as Stalin, will murder millions, and lets not talk about Hitler and Jews.

As for the purchase of Alcohol on Sundays, it is a law like any other, if the majority don't want it to happen, then it doesn't. Yes, religious beliefs will influence the laws passed and since the majority of people are Christians in the US, the laws will have a more Christian flavor. They also outlaw in most states Brothels as well. If you don't want a Christian flavor to your laws, then you will have to go to a democratic-republic country that isn't Christian, because as long as Christians are a majority then all laws will be influenced by the PEOPLE'S beliefs.

People forget this is a government of the PEOPLE, and as such it will take on the flavor of those PEOPLE. Trying to remove all effects of Religion from the Government is infringing on those same people's right to live their beliefs and have a government that represents them. Also it is forcing the ATHEIST's beliefs on those who aren't.

Let me quote the exact phrase for you, straight from the Constitution itself.

Quote:Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.

Read that as many times as it takes, because you don't seem to get it. It is against the rules of the Constitution to pass any law that respects an establishment of religion. Tell me, why is alcohol sales banned on Sunday? Because overbearing Christians decided that they need to force their views on the majority. It comes from their brand of Christianity. It is forcing their religion on other people. You can pray in public, the moment you start forcing other people to abide by your religion's rules, you're no longer in the legal right.

That's the reality of it. You cannot govern by simple majority rule, it isn't how it works in this country. That's not how the Constitution set this country up to work. We are not a theocracy, we are not a democracy, we are a democratically elected constitutional republic. People vote for their representatives, the representatives work within the framework of the Constitution for the betterment of those who elected them. Just because the majority hold some form of Christian beliefs, does NOT make it ever right to pass laws FORCING Christian laws upon those who do not follow the teachings of Christianity. Really simple.

Instead of going somewhere else, I'll gladly stick around and watch through the years as slowly but surely, the wrong doings by the religious majority that illegally enforced their will upon everyone is slowly undone.

As for your paragraph about murder, adultery, and theft. You're splitting hairs. You stated that laws against murder, adultery, and theft came from Christianity. It simply isn't true, and I provided a few examples. If you want to split hairs, we could say the Bible condones slavery, but I'm not interested in debating any of this, because it really doesn't matter.