NFL: God Must Be Real

[JDaveG]

(11-19-2011 08:54 PM)Paulitik Wrote:  I grew up fundamentalist, Church of Christ, part of the propaganda of the Church is to seek out persecution as a sign of the end times.

That's not any part of "the Church." It might be a part of the Church of Christ (or some sects within it). I know it's part and parcel of some Baptist theology, but there again, that's not universally true (or probably even generally true) of Baptists either. But the Church pre-dates the sects, and the Church has never, ever taught anything remotely close to this.

For one, dispensationalism is novel. The teaching you reference is most closely tied to dispensationalism. When a teaching cannot be attributed to the entire Church throughout time, one ought be careful ascribing that teaching as a teaching of "the Church." The fact is, the vast majority of Christians do not believe what you wrote.

I know it's hard to separate that out. It's obvious to me you have issues with the Church of Christ and the teaching of your youth and with your family who have not treated you well. That doesn't, however, mean that this should color what the rest of us believe. I'd ask you to consider the possibility that what you reject is not Christianity in a broad sense, but a very narrow slice of Christianity.

[Joenate]

Yes, GOD is real. Any other questions?

P.S. God has nothing to do with religion by the way. Man created religion, not GOD.

[RnB]

(11-20-2011 11:37 PM)JDaveG Wrote:  That's not any part of "the Church." It might be a part of the Church of Christ (or some sects within it). I know it's part and parcel of some Baptist theology, but there again, that's not universally true (or probably even generally true) of Baptists either. But the Church pre-dates the sects, and the Church has never, ever taught anything remotely close to this.

For one, dispensationalism is novel. The teaching you reference is most closely tied to dispensationalism. When a teaching cannot be attributed to the entire Church throughout time, one ought be careful ascribing that teaching as a teaching of "the Church." The fact is, the vast majority of Christians do not believe what you wrote.

I know it's hard to separate that out. It's obvious to me you have issues with the Church of Christ and the teaching of your youth and with your family who have not treated you well. That doesn't, however, mean that this should color what the rest of us believe. I'd ask you to consider the possibility that what you reject is not Christianity in a broad sense, but a very narrow slice of Christianity.

Thanks for this post JDave.

I try to stay away from religious talk online. Simply because the anonymity that being behind a screen gives people usually brings out their worst.

I have to agree with KoG that I have seen quite a bite of Christian (not a specific denomination, mind you) bashing but rarely see devout people with a modicum of intelligence bash other religions. I have also rarely seen Christians I know try to convert unwilling people or search out persecution. Saying that Christians gladly take up a "victim complex" to fulfill some prophecy is just silly.

You have to be very careful painting an entire swath of billions of people with one brush stroke due to some negative experiences you went through on a personal level.

I was born and raised in the South and consider myself a Christian (Baptist), just for reference.

[Knight of God]

(11-21-2011 09:14 AM)RnB Wrote:  Thanks for this post JDave.

I try to stay away from religious talk online. Simply because the anonymity that being behind a screen gives people usually brings out their worst.

I have to agree with KoG that I have seen quite a bite of Christian (not a specific denomination, mind you) bashing but rarely see devout people with a modicum of intelligence bash other religions. I have also rarely seen Christians I know try to convert unwilling people or search out persecution. Saying that Christians gladly take up a "victim complex" to fulfill some prophecy is just silly.

You have to be very careful painting an entire swath of billions of people with one brush stroke due to some negative experiences you went through on a personal level.

I was born and raised in the South and consider myself a Christian (Baptist), just for reference.

Man, I still listen to rock when I can get away with it. I definitely listen to what some consider Christian Rock, and my wife and I love listening to RnB together...LOL!!! Had to do that last part man. I get bashed by fundies for listening to the type of Christian Rock...they say, "Oh noze!!! That's not of God."

[FireDawg85]

Also.... God must be real because Adrian Peterson is expected to miss Falcons Game

[Knight of God]

(11-21-2011 04:09 PM)FireDawg85 Wrote:  Also.... God must be real because Adrian Peterson is expected to miss Falcons Game

LOL!!! No comment being that he is one of my favorite players in the league...BUT...I was having bad images of him getting it going.

[AsylumGuido]

(11-20-2011 11:37 PM)JDaveG Wrote:  That's not any part of "the Church." It might be a part of the Church of Christ (or some sects within it). I know it's part and parcel of some Baptist theology, but there again, that's not universally true (or probably even generally true) of Baptists either. But the Church pre-dates the sects, and the Church has never, ever taught anything remotely close to this.

For one, dispensationalism is novel. The teaching you reference is most closely tied to dispensationalism. When a teaching cannot be attributed to the entire Church throughout time, one ought be careful ascribing that teaching as a teaching of "the Church." The fact is, the vast majority of Christians do not believe what you wrote.

I know it's hard to separate that out. It's obvious to me you have issues with the Church of Christ and the teaching of your youth and with your family who have not treated you well. That doesn't, however, mean that this should color what the rest of us believe. I'd ask you to consider the possibility that what you reject is not Christianity in a broad sense, but a very narrow slice of Christianity.

Reps, as well, JDave. All well said.

[AsylumGuido]

(11-21-2011 04:06 PM)Knight of God Wrote:  Man, I still listen to rock when I can get away with it. I definitely listen to what some consider Christian Rock, and my wife and I love listening to RnB together...LOL!!! Had to do that last part man. I get bashed by fundies for listening to the type of Christian Rock...they say, "Oh noze!!! That's not of God."

One of my all-time favorite Jethro Tull songs is Wind Up. Check it out if you don't know it. Awesome.


When I was young and they packed me off to school
and taught me how not to play the game,
I didn't mind if they groomed me for success,
or if they said that I was a fool.
So I left there in the morning
with their God tucked underneath my arm --
their half-assed smiles and the book of rules.
So I asked this God a question
and by way of firm reply,
He said -- I'm not the kind you have to wind up on Sundays.
So to my old headmaster (and to anyone who cares):
before I'm through I'd like to say my prayers --
I don't believe you:
you had the whole damn thing all wrong --
He's not the kind you have to wind up on Sundays.
Well you can excomunicate me on my way to Sunday school
and have all the bishops harmonize these lines --
how do you dare tell me that I'm my Father's son
when that was just an accident of Birth.
I'd rather look around me -- compose a better song
`cos that's the honest measure of my worth.
In your pomp and all your glory you're a poorer man than me,
as you lick the boots of death born out of fear.
I don't believe you:
you had the whole damn thing all wrong --
He's not the kind you have to wind up on Sundays.

[RnB]

(11-21-2011 04:06 PM)Knight of God Wrote:  Man, I still listen to rock when I can get away with it. I definitely listen to what some consider Christian Rock, and my wife and I love listening to RnB together...LOL!!! Had to do that last part man. I get bashed by fundies for listening to the type of Christian Rock...they say, "Oh noze!!! That's not of God."

RnB is simply my AFMB name (registered in 2k or so and dont go there anymore) shortened; Red-and-Black. The more you know.

As far as music goes and judgmental people, let them think what they want.

Faith is a very personal thing, specifically one's own relationship with God outside the organized Church itself. It is my feeling that those people who are "religious", and continue to judge others based on superficial things, are missing a huge part of what being faithful to God is all about.

[Knight of God]

(11-21-2011 09:00 PM)RnB Wrote:  RnB is simply my AFMB name (registered in 2k or so and dont go there anymore) shortened; Red-and-Black. The more you know.

As far as music goes and judgmental people, let them think what they want.

Faith is a very personal thing, specifically one's own relationship with God outside the organized Church itself. It is my feeling that those people who are "religious", and continue to judge others based on superficial things, are missing a huge part of what being faithful to God is all about.

Just joking about RnB man thought it would be funny..LOL!!!