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ATLBound · 05-09-2012, 02:36 PM

(05-09-2012 01:51 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote: I can tell you that Lofton won't be any worse than Vilma in pass defense and will be a huge upgrade against the run. Vilma just hasn't been the same since his knee injury and many Saints fans have been ready to see him go based upon what he's getting paid.

As for 90% of Payton, they have already got a large percentage of him for this year. He has things mapped out for the entire season. If it wasn't for him there is no way these guys could make it through the year at a high level.

And the whole offensive line is good at the hold. Every o-line in the league holds on every play, but the good ones get away with it more often. As fans we always watch the ball when our team is on offense. We don't notice our own players holding. When our players are on defense we are looking at them in the replays and we see them being held. Falcons players hold all the time. All teams do. It is part of the game. Grubbs will become good at it too.

There isn't a way to prepare for the unpreparable if that makes any sense.

That's one of the original questions I brought up. What will they do if what's planned doesn't go as planned? You just said yourself that they wouldn't be able to get thru the year without Payton. I understand the attention to detail that Payton has but he cannot prepare for the unknown with trades, free agent acquisitions, injuries, new stars arising, 16 NFL games, and playoffs.

As for the holding comment that was actually a compliment. I know that everybody holds. He just seems to get away with it more than most.

monoxide · 05-09-2012, 03:28 PM

Quote:TB might just go 5-11 or worse IMO.

Tampa Bay will finish with a winning record this season, I'm guaranteeing it. If we don't lose the division, it will be because of the Buccaneers.

AsylumGuido · 05-09-2012, 03:33 PM

(05-09-2012 02:27 PM)pauliwood Wrote: HOLD ON A SECOND.

You think a guy that wasn't good enough to be on our team makes you a Superbowl contender?

He makes us clearly better. And you know he is good enough. Y'all just couldn't pay him enough to keep him.

FireDawg85 · 05-09-2012, 03:54 PM

(05-09-2012 11:03 AM)AsylumGuido Wrote: I don't think you know how involved Carmichael has been over the years. He has always been intricately involved in the halftime adjustments. Just as Payton learned from Parcells, he has passed that knowledge along to Carmichael. They have talked about that. That is why Carmichael is so highly regarded around the league. I do not doubt that he will get the next big opening next season as a head coach.

I'm a firefighter so let me put what you said into a different scenario. The lineman goes everwhere the crew cheif goes inside a building. You have to follow the "2 in 2 out" rule at all times so the lineman is with crew chief at all times and knows exactly how the crew chief wants things to be done. Now the lineman may know what the crew chief wants him to do. But we all know we don't want the probee calling the shots in crunch time. Make sense?

pauliwood · 05-09-2012, 03:57 PM

(05-09-2012 03:33 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote: He makes us clearly better. And you know he is good enough. Y'all just couldn't pay him enough to keep him.

1st down good enough.
2nd down good enough.
3rd down not good enough.

you'll see, 3rd down will become a nightmare.

FireDawg85 · 05-09-2012, 04:04 PM

(05-09-2012 03:57 PM)pauliwood Wrote: 1st down good enough.
2nd down good enough.
3rd down not good enough.

you'll see, 3rd down will become a nightmare.

Yup. And that nightmrare will involve Tony G 2 games this season. Who dat out there getting abused in 3rd down? Dat be Big Five O

AsylumGuido · 05-09-2012, 04:20 PM

(05-09-2012 03:57 PM)pauliwood Wrote: 1st down good enough.
2nd down good enough.
3rd down not good enough.

you'll see, 3rd down will become a nightmare.

Been there done that with Vilma. But, first and second downs were nightmares too.

AsylumGuido · 05-09-2012, 04:22 PM

(05-09-2012 04:04 PM)FireDawg85 Wrote: Yup. And that nightmrare will involve Tony G 2 games this season. Who dat out there getting abused in 3rd down? Dat be Big Five O

Once again, as bad as you think he was, he's better than what we had.

ATLBound · 05-09-2012, 04:25 PM

(05-09-2012 03:33 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote: He makes us clearly better. And you know he is good enough. Y'all just couldn't pay him enough to keep him.

I wouldn't say he isn't good, but I will say it wasn't about us not being able to pay him enough. It was the fact that he was only a 2-down linebacker and he wanted to be paid like a 3-down linebacker. He obviously found a team to do that.

ATLBound · 05-09-2012, 04:28 PM

(05-09-2012 02:36 PM)ATLBound Wrote: There isn't a way to prepare for the unpreparable if that makes any sense.

That's one of the original questions I brought up. What will they do if what's planned doesn't go as planned? You just said yourself that they wouldn't be able to get thru the year without Payton. I understand the attention to detail that Payton has but he cannot prepare for the unknown with trades, free agent acquisitions, injuries, new stars arising, 16 NFL games, and playoffs.

As for the holding comment that was actually a compliment. I know that everybody holds. He just seems to get away with it more than most.

I'm gonna bump this just in case you deidn't see it