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AsylumGuido · 05-09-2012, 11:11 AM

(05-09-2012 10:53 AM)ATLBound Wrote: I give you props bc you seemingly havw answers for everything but can you honestly say the can mimic Payton 100% for the whole year?

I ask this because all it takes is one play a game and that one mishap can turn into 3 and keep going AND if they get it wrong they have to figure it out themselves because they are not "SUPPOSED" to talk to Payton all year to correct any mistakes

Heck no. But, given the talent the Saints have 90% of Payton can still be good for 12 wins. You act like Payton is a one man coach staff who has all of the answers while the rest are just lifeless dummies. Payton has surrounded himself which excellent coaches. That correcting happens as a staff. It will still occur.

But, it was still Payton that brought this group together. That is much of his value.

AsylumGuido · 05-09-2012, 11:15 AM

(05-09-2012 11:09 AM)RFlagg Wrote: Oh, so Brees has signed? I keep hearing Saints fans over and over say it's not a problem, the deal will get done. But it hasn't yet, and reports seem to indicate that the sides are still far apart. Brees is not happy about being tagged and wants a ton of money. He wants his contract front loaded. The Saints are offering him less than what he's asking and are trying to back load the contract.

And I've got to wonder how much cap space the Saints have left. Since Vilma's suspension is in the appeals phase, his numbers are still counting towards the cap. If his suspension is reduced or over turned, that will be 2 million less that can go to Brees. Brees wants $23 million per season average on a front loaded contract. I seriously doubt the Saints have the cap space, even without Vilma, to afford that.

With Drew Brees, the Saints will be a more than formidable team. Without him...

Brees has said that he never demanded $23 million per year. Yes, he would like a front loaded contract. The Saints will get the deal done. Right now it isn't a priority. May 21st is the first day of Saints mini camp. That is the first important date. Right now it's just strength and conditioning and Brees uses a personal trainer for that. In fact, last year he brought his trainer in to help with the player run sessions.

I am not worried at all about Brees.

ATLBound · 05-09-2012, 11:25 AM

(05-09-2012 11:11 AM)AsylumGuido Wrote: Heck no. But, given the talent the Saints have 90% of Payton can still be good for 12 wins. You act like Payton is a one man coach staff who has all of the answers while the rest are just lifeless dummies. Payton has surrounded himself which excellent coaches. That correcting happens as a staff. It will still occur.

But, it was still Payton that brought this group together. That is much of his value.

I was brining up scenarios off the top of my head. I don't know all the intricacies involved in being a head coach the NFL. I do know that if you can get 90% of your head coach without him being there then your head coach is replacable and I don't think Payton is.

Lofton will help in run defense but certainly not in pass defense

Nicks is one of the best "get away with holding" guards in the league. No disrespect to his skills.

***phocis850*** · 05-09-2012, 12:04 PM

I'm sure Payton will be working on Sundays. Once he gets caught, I'm gonna laugh and point the finger like this...

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markdzul · 05-09-2012, 01:10 PM

You can say what you would like, there are always highs and lows in a franchise. Clearly this year has been full of turmoil for the Saints. It will be extreamly difficult for them to have a consistent season with the loss of Payton. Vitt being gone for (6-8 games) I forget.

For one I don't see the offense for the Saints having a huge drop off once Brees gets back behind center (and he will).

The real issue is defense. Nolan where ever he has gone has provided a vastly improved the existing talent. Spags on the other hand had a great defense in NY handed to him and did well. Went to St. Louis and did absolutly nothing with the team on either O or D. Spags to me has a lot to prove and I think the Saints fanbase will find out pretty quickly he is not what they are expecting.... IMO

AsylumGuido · 05-09-2012, 01:51 PM

(05-09-2012 11:25 AM)ATLBound Wrote: I was brining up scenarios off the top of my head. I don't know all the intricacies involved in being a head coach the NFL. I do know that if you can get 90% of your head coach without him being there then your head coach is replacable and I don't think Payton is.

Lofton will help in run defense but certainly not in pass defense

Nicks is one of the best "get away with holding" guards in the league. No disrespect to his skills.

I can tell you that Lofton won't be any worse than Vilma in pass defense and will be a huge upgrade against the run. Vilma just hasn't been the same since his knee injury and many Saints fans have been ready to see him go based upon what he's getting paid.

As for 90% of Payton, they have already got a large percentage of him for this year. He has things mapped out for the entire season. If it wasn't for him there is no way these guys could make it through the year at a high level.

And the whole offensive line is good at the hold. Every o-line in the league holds on every play, but the good ones get away with it more often. As fans we always watch the ball when our team is on offense. We don't notice our own players holding. When our players are on defense we are looking at them in the replays and we see them being held. Falcons players hold all the time. All teams do. It is part of the game. Grubbs will become good at it too.

AsylumGuido · 05-09-2012, 01:58 PM

(05-09-2012 01:10 PM)markdzul Wrote: You can say what you would like, there are always highs and lows in a franchise. Clearly this year has been full of turmoil for the Saints. It will be extreamly difficult for them to have a consistent season with the loss of Payton. Vitt being gone for (6-8 games) I forget.

For one I don't see the offense for the Saints having a huge drop off once Brees gets back behind center (and he will).

The real issue is defense. Nolan where ever he has gone has provided a vastly improved the existing talent. Spags on the other hand had a great defense in NY handed to him and did well. Went to St. Louis and did absolutly nothing with the team on either O or D. Spags to me has a lot to prove and I think the Saints fanbase will find out pretty quickly he is not what they are expecting.... IMO

The Saints had a bottom third defense last season and still won 13 games. I will guarantee you that there will be an improvement on defense. Even if they only become average, coupled with the offense they will be a better overall team than the one that compiled those 13 wins.

Vitt is gone for six games. The Saints can very easily win five of those six. The three at home should be fairly easy. At Carolina and Tampa will be tougher, but the Saints are still clearly the better team from top to bottom. The only real tough test is at Green Bay.

Sun, September 9, Washington Redskins, 12 noon, FOX
Sun, September 16, at Carolina Panthers, 12 noon, FOX
Sun, September 23, Kansas City Chiefs, 12 noon, CBS
Sun, September 30, at Green Bay Packers, 3:15 p.m., FOX
Sun, October 7, San Diego Chargers, 7:30 p.m., NBC
Sun, October 21, at Tampa Bay Buccaneers, 12 noon, FOX

AsylumGuido · 05-09-2012, 02:02 PM

(05-09-2012 12:04 PM)phocis850 Wrote: I'm sure Payton will be working on Sundays. Once he gets caught, I'm gonna laugh and point the finger like this...

No way will he be making contact. He doesn't have to. He knows the coaches he's taught can handle the job. Although, after this season he'll likely be training some more. Carmichael will be gone for sure with the successful season by the Saints.

pauliwood · (This post was last modified: 05-09-2012 02:29 PM by pauliwood.)

(05-09-2012 10:51 AM)AsylumGuido Wrote: This bit here pretty much echos my thoughts on the Saints this season.

9 Reasons the New Orleans Saints Can Improve, Vie for 2013 Super Bowl

1. Roger Goodell Has Motivated This Team
2. Do It for Their Coach
3. Super Bowl in Their City and Stadium
4. Drew Brees
5. Curtis Lofton
6. Remi Ayodele
7. Greater Dependence on the Running Game
8. Spagnuolo's Blitz Light Scheme
9. A Different Voice Might Be a Good Changeup

#6 might have flown under the radar this week. The Saints signed free agent Ayodele and now have the perfect DT rotation for Spags' defense. Brodrick Bunkley, an earlier FA signing, teamed with Sed Ellis and Tom Johnson should bring the type of pressure needed to free up the ends.

HOLD ON A SECOND.

You think a guy that wasn't good enough to be on our team makes you a Superbowl contender?

Beef · 05-09-2012, 02:36 PM

(05-09-2012 02:27 PM)pauliwood Wrote: HOLD ON A SECOND.

You think a guy that wasn't good enough to be on our team makes you a Superbowl contender?

You sure he wasn't talking about Aubrayo Franklin?