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[FullMetalFalcon23]

(04-16-2011 11:45 PM)TallDrink26 Wrote:  You are really going to compare levels of hate towards a group of people. In that case black people should never complain considering what happened to Jewish People but thats not how it works hate is hate.
I used to not think Faggot was that bad of term but then I begin to realized how often gays were slandered in media and on television and it was considered the norm. I began to realize the homosexual community had a valid point. Canada stepped up and banned the word from tv. Quick example of gay oppression out of many examples, they arent able to marry and therefore arent able to consent over a loved one when it comes to life and death situations or be considered a family member which is pretty horrible. Plus Im pretty sure victims of gay hate crimes have been referred to as "that faggot" as they are brutally beaten or in some cases murdered. I know he didnt mean to slander gays and understand how it doesnt seem like a big deal but i guarantee it was offensive to the gay community because it has evolved into a gay slander. Maybe it will end up opening peoples eyes and serve as a step to become more socially aware. I didnt care that much what Kobe did cause, he was just ignorant like most of America to the gravity that the word holds. What a weird situation for Roddy to take a stance on.

I once listened to a couple I knew argue about who had suffered worse. One was black like myself. And the gf was Jewish. I wanted to kick the hearts out of both if them. The stuff they were saying about the alternate plights was so cold. He tried to say it was worse for blacks because of how long it lasted the loss if generations true cultural heritage being lost the being bred for purpose. She argued the situation for Jews was worse because it was extermination on a big scale and so rapid. Because of the torture and the atmosphere of fear that still permeates their culture now.

So depressing to listen to. It is plain and simple both like many other races suffered like they should not have had to. My greatest shame in that situation was these were two people who were supposed to love one another and really made light of one anothers suffering.

You made a really good point about how comparing such situations is simply ridiculous. I hope an example like this puts it into context for anyone who does not understand.

[illmusic]

(04-16-2011 11:45 PM)TallDrink26 Wrote:  You are really going to compare levels of hate towards a group of people. In that case black people should never complain considering what happened to Jewish People but thats not how it works hate is hate.
I used to not think Faggot was that bad of term but then I begin to realized how often gays were slandered in media and on television and it was considered the norm. I began to realize the homosexual community had a valid point. Canada stepped up and banned the word from tv. Quick example of gay oppression out of many examples, they arent able to marry and therefore arent able to consent over a loved one when it comes to life and death situations or be considered a family member which is pretty horrible. Plus Im pretty sure victims of gay hate crimes have been referred to as "that faggot" as they are brutally beaten or in some cases murdered. I know he didnt mean to slander gays and understand how it doesnt seem like a big deal but i guarantee it was offensive to the gay community because it has evolved into a gay slander. Maybe it will end up opening peoples eyes and serve as a step to become more socially aware. I didnt care that much what Kobe did cause, he was just ignorant like most of America to the gravity that the word holds. What a weird situation for Roddy to take a stance on.

??? You're the one that made the comparison, I simply expanded on the thought to try and show you how silly that sounds. Then you go on to compare another oppression situation...lol. I'm not sure what slander you're talking about though. If you mean comedians and stereotypical acting roles, every other group of people are "slandered" the same way. And I'm almost positive gay people are able to marry in California, and continue their marriage wherever they please. I understand what you're saying though, the thing is, I'm not arguing whether gay people aren't giving the same rights as heterosexual people...the argument is whether Kobe's or Roddy's statements should even affect gay people. IMO, they shouldn't. And look at it this way...you used a perfect phrase. It has evolved into a derogatory term in the past, why can't you and gay people acknowledge it has evolved into a simple diss males and females of all sexual orientation use against each other? Honestly, the argument could be made that you and gay people are ignorant to the change in tide established through pop culture, of the word. But I'm not going to show a CHINK in my armor, as I walk to the store with a WET BACK because I came from the store to get some CRACKERS where some kids opened a hydrant and were spraying everybody.

[illmusic]

(04-17-2011 04:46 AM)FullMetalFalcon23 Wrote:  I once listened to a couple I knew argue about who had suffered worse. One was black like myself. And the gf was Jewish. I wanted to kick the hearts out of both if them. The stuff they were saying about the alternate plights was so cold. He tried to say it was worse for blacks because of how long it lasted the loss if generations true cultural heritage being lost the being bred for purpose. She argued the situation for Jews was worse because it was extermination on a big scale and so rapid. Because of the torture and the atmosphere of fear that still permeates their culture now.

So depressing to listen to. It is plain and simple both like many other races suffered like they should not have had to. My greatest shame in that situation was these were two people who were supposed to love one another and really made light of one anothers suffering.

You made a really good point about how comparing such situations is simply ridiculous. I hope an example like this puts it into context for anyone who does not understand.

Yea, I completely agree, I hate when people compare the two situations, they're never comparable and usually just insulting to one of the groups. That's why i tried to show dude the two slanders weren't comparable while trying to break it down historically and with more recent examples.

[TallDrink26]

(04-17-2011 11:04 AM)illmusic Wrote:  ??? You're the one that made the comparison, I simply expanded on the thought to try and show you how silly that sounds. Then you go on to compare another oppression situation...lol. I'm not sure what slander you're talking about though. If you mean comedians and stereotypical acting roles, every other group of people are "slandered" the same way. And I'm almost positive gay people are able to marry in California, and continue their marriage wherever they please. I understand what you're saying though, the thing is, I'm not arguing whether gay people aren't giving the same rights as heterosexual people...the argument is whether Kobe's or Roddy's statements should even affect gay people. IMO, they shouldn't. And look at it this way...you used a perfect phrase. It has evolved into a derogatory term in the past, why can't you and gay people acknowledge it has evolved into a simple diss males and females of all sexual orientation use against each other? Honestly, the argument could be made that you and gay people are ignorant to the change in tide established through pop culture, of the word. But I'm not going to show a CHINK in my armor, as I walk to the store with a WET BACK because I came from the store to get some CRACKERS where some kids opened a hydrant and were spraying everybody.

"Not to mention, last I remember, a nation hasn't enslaved gays and belittled them to being "that faggot" quoting illmusic

How am I suppose to take your quote as anything other than comparing the two. Second I wasnt comparing I felt I actually needed to point out an example that gays are in fact discriminated against and enlighten that there is in fact hate behind the word

Next is no you cant marry is California and majority of states do not recognize same sex unions.

-" the argument is whether Kobe's or Roddy's statements should even affect gay people. IMO, they shouldn't." quoting ill music.
Well I just found this quote from Kobe on the situation "It was just stupid and ignorant," Bryant said. "In this situation, seeing how many people were affected, it helps you understand the weight that comes from that word. That's why it's very important for me to communicate how sorry I am to use the word." so Kobe himself admits wrong doing and is now working with GLAAD as well.
So decent attempts at the flip flop but you failed pretty bad

[illmusic]

(04-17-2011 01:22 PM)TallDrink26 Wrote:  "Not to mention, last I remember, a nation hasn't enslaved gays and belittled them to being "that faggot" quoting illmusic

How am I suppose to take your quote as anything other than comparing the two. Second I wasnt comparing I felt I actually needed to point out an example that gays are in fact discriminated against and enlighten that there is in fact hate behind the word

Next is no you cant marry is California and majority of states do not recognize same sex unions.

-" the argument is whether Kobe's or Roddy's statements should even affect gay people. IMO, they shouldn't." quoting ill music.
Well I just found this quote from Kobe on the situation "It was just stupid and ignorant," Bryant said. "In this situation, seeing how many people were affected, it helps you understand the weight that comes from that word. That's why it's very important for me to communicate how sorry I am to use the word." so Kobe himself admits wrong doing and is now working with GLAAD as well.
So decent attempts at the flip flop but you failed pretty bad

Lol...you compared faggot to the n-word, going on to rank the civil rights with the gay rights campaign. Like I said, I expanded on that trying to explain the historical meaning behind both words. Are you misunderstanding me somewhere, I'm keeping this as simple as possible because I'm on my iPad? Also, do you understand that Kobe is still fighting into the limelight after the rape incident? He's one of the faces of the league and was smart not to argue the incident, and simply appeal the fine. I don't know, if you can't understand the politics behind that, it would help me understand the logic barrier we've stumbled into. And I'm not understanding what flip flop I did...this whole thing started because you tried to say a word CREATED to belittle a race of people is COMPARABLE to using a slang word who's meaning and distribution has evolved through the years. My stance since the beginning has been the gay people shouldn't worry about someone using faggot in the context Kobe said it. Hence the reference that, whoever the leading authority in women's rights is, wouldn't worry about a PETA representative say something about breeding bitches or a comedy using the word in a diss towards a guy.

[TallDrink26]

(04-17-2011 02:16 PM)illmusic Wrote:  Lol...you compared faggot to the n-word, going on to rank the civil rights with the gay rights campaign. Like I said, I expanded on that trying to explain the historical meaning behind both words. Are you misunderstanding me somewhere, I'm keeping this as simple as possible because I'm on my iPad? Also, do you understand that Kobe is still fighting into the limelight after the rape incident? He's one of the faces of the league and was smart not to argue the incident, and simply appeal the fine. I don't know, if you can't understand the politics behind that, it would help me understand the logic barrier we've stumbled into. And I'm not understanding what flip flop I did...this whole thing started because you tried to say a word CREATED to belittle a race of people is COMPARABLE to using a slang word who's meaning and distribution has evolved through the years. My stance since the beginning has been the gay people shouldn't worry about someone using faggot in the context Kobe said it. Hence the reference that, whoever the leading authority in women's rights is, wouldn't worry about a PETA representative say something about breeding bitches or a comedy using the word in a diss towards a guy.

Like I said I used it as an example to make a point there was hate behind the word and hate is hate. Kobe is also a very smart dude and I sincerely believe his eyes opened up after he saw the reaction and really does care bout fixing it. My final thought on this: my opinion is saying the word makes you sound stupid and ignorant and continue use of it means you are behind the times. Kobe is none of these and wont continue to use it cause I believe he went through the same realization as myself. The reality is the word IS and HAS become a derogatory term towards gay people whether is was meant to be or not. I understand your point, I just disagree with it. Go Falcons, I have no idea anymore who I want in the first round I just want them to play well. I do know I want Titus Young and Taiwan Jones in the later rounds

[illmusic]

Lol...alright I feel you, I just want an offensive draft akin to our 09 defense draft.

[TallDrink26]

Thats cool, Im down to go Oline if Kerrigan isnt there which he shouldnt be. I also like Clayborne but would have no problem going Oline then wr/rb in 2nd and 3rd round.

[phalcon phil]

(04-13-2011 11:00 PM)Swift Is a Die Hard Wrote:  Yea I have no problem with getting in corners face having lil fun trash talking. What I have a problem is that this kid which he still is hasnt grown up yet still and taking on leadership role and felt the need to tweet the word Kobe used to get fined and then imply with his statement that it is ok to say it just not on the field ..Im no goodie to shoes that is for sure I use that word out in public to my friends whatever case may be, joke around whatever but for Roddy to tweet that just doesnt show that he has fully matured yet and probably will never.

Who gives a shit? Is he raising your kid? I think it's sad how much people put on the value of athletes and entertainers as role models. I don't care if Roddy White is dumber than a box of dried cat feces as long as he can catch a ball. I don't care if he has severe character flaws as long as his teammates respect him on the field thats all that matters. The public needs to get a life and quit expecting people in the spotlight to meet or exceed your standards for morality simply because they make a bunch of money to play a game. GET A LIFE. Go Roddy, say what you want, and enjoy that First Amendment right to tell the naysayers and goodie two shoes to jump off a bridge.

[The Falcon Jedi]

Im not gay, so the faggot word doesnt offend me