McShay Mock

[mdrake34]

I love watching the actual draft play out each year and how incredibly different it is from McShay/Kiper's "mocks." They try to save face by doing their "best available" segments during the draft, but they're off on those too. These guys are jokes.

[Dyoshot]

(02-11-2011 12:38 PM)mdrake34 Wrote:  I love watching the actual draft play out each year and how incredibly different it is from McShay/Kiper's "mocks." They try to save face by doing their "best available" segments during the draft, but they're off on those too. These guys are jokes.

Out of the two McShay is the worst. I don't really take his word for much.

[Joker]

(02-10-2011 06:16 PM)Peyton Wrote:  WOW, dude has Locker going in the 1st round.

Can't see it.

He's the #1 QB on some boards and was the #1 guy coming into the year.. Same thing happened to Marino his senior year.

[Dyoshot]

(02-11-2011 03:37 PM)Joker Wrote:  He's the #1 QB on some boards and was the #1 guy coming into the year.. Same thing happened to Marino his senior year.

Since Marino was drafted the year I was born, I won't pretend to know the answer to this. But did Marino struggle his entire senior year? I also heard Locker was pretty bad in the Senior Bowl practices as well. Not saying that he can't be a great QB, I just don't think he will. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but McShay was really high on Andre Woodson and Jevan Snead as well.

[caver50]

(02-11-2011 12:32 PM)Dyoshot Wrote:  I think the worst thing the Panthers could do is draft for need. If you are going to draft a guy #1 overall, you have to really believe he's the best player available. If Andrew Luck is there I'm agreeing with you, but he's not going to be. I understand they need a QB. However, drafting for need got Jamal Anderson over Patrick Willis, David Carr over Julius Peppers, Kyle Brady over Warren Sapp and so on. This pick needs to be Nick Fairley, Bowers, or try your best to trade it (which I'm sure they will find no takers).

Just saying, If they don't get another starting QB this year, they will be facing the same situation next year. Sooner or later they have to, we'll see.

[ViperXX79]

(02-12-2011 05:36 PM)caver50 Wrote:  Just saying, If they don't get another starting QB this year, they will be facing the same situation next year. Sooner or later they have to, we'll see.

You can't waste the number one overall pick and a guy that isn't worth it. It's not a good QB class anyway. They probably wouldn't be very good if they got someone like Luck anyway so they'd be picking high again. Might as well take the BPA and get your QB next year. That helps your team more than reaching for some guy that's not worth the pick or money.

[Radical]

When is the last time there has ever been a "good" QB class. I hear that every year just about it seems.

[Duff_Man]

(02-11-2011 03:49 PM)Dyoshot Wrote:  Since Marino was drafted the year I was born, I won't pretend to know the answer to this. But did Marino struggle his entire senior year? I also heard Locker was pretty bad in the Senior Bowl practices as well. Not saying that he can't be a great QB, I just don't think he will. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but McShay was really high on Andre Woodson and Jevan Snead as well.

Word has it that Marino was kind of a dick and was doing coke at Pitt. I think his head swelled and he struggled a little.

[caver50]

(02-12-2011 08:28 PM)ViperXX79 Wrote:  You can't waste the number one overall pick and a guy that isn't worth it. It's not a good QB class anyway. They probably wouldn't be very good if they got someone like Luck anyway so they'd be picking high again. Might as well take the BPA and get your QB next year. That helps your team more than reaching for some guy that's not worth the pick or money.

Logic dictates your correct, but what guarantee do they have that, that pick will be available next year or the year after for that matter? If they win a few games it becomes even less likely, but it is possible to pick up a QB late first or later rounds that could do the job (Tom Brady) or perhaps someone in FA, but until they do, I think their chances of a winning season is low. Success dictates value.

[Dyoshot]

(02-14-2011 12:08 PM)caver50 Wrote:  Logic dictates your correct, but what guarantee do they have that, that pick will be available next year or the year after for that matter? If they win a few games it becomes even less likely, but it is possible to pick up a QB late first or later rounds that could do the job (Tom Brady) or perhaps someone in FA, but until they do, I think their chances of a winning season is low. Success dictates value.

I'll agree with you there are no guarantees regardless of where you draft. However, you just can't play around with the QB position it is too important. A large majority of NFL starting QB's are going to be first round picks because the best ones usually are drafted there. It's just the way it is. Thinking that you can just wait until later in the draft and take your chances with a low round pick at the most important position in the game isn't the best way to go. I know about Tom Brady obviously, but he is the exception, NOT the rule. Take a look at the list of starting QB's. See how many were first round picks, and also see where the large majority of the successful ones were drafted.

NFC South-
Matt Ryan-1st
Josh Freeman-1st
Jimmy Clausen-2nd round
Drew Brees-2nd round

NFC North-
Cutler-1st
Rogers-1st
Stafford-1st
Jackson/Webb-2nd and 6th round

NFC East-
Romo-Undrafted
Manning-1st
Vick-1st
McNabb/Grossman-1st/1st

NFC West-
Anderson-6th
Smith-1st
Bradford-1st
Hasselbeck/Whitehurst-6th/3rd

AFC East-
Brady-6th
Henne-2nd
Fitzpatrick-7th
Sanchez-1st

AFC South-
Garrard-4th
Collins/Young/Smith-1st/1st/6th
Manning-1st
Schaub-3rd

AFC North-
Palmer-1st
Rothlisberger-1st
Flacco-1st
McCoy-3rd

AFC West-
Orton/Tebow-4th/1st
Campbell/Gradkowski-1st/6th
Cassel-7th
Rivers-1st