Matt Ryan's Three Year Progress Report

[TheDirtyWord]

(02-08-2011 04:13 PM)Swift Is a Die Hard Wrote:  you watched Super Bowl right DW...did you see how many drop passes by Jordy Nelson ? or James Jones for that TD

If Jenkins or Harry did those drops.. they would be ran out of town ..The thing is a GREAT QB can overcome those things and mistakes..it happens to lot of them not just Ryan

Again...I don't think anyone is arguing Rodgers superiority.

But let's take Jordy Nelson for a second. I believe he is a 2nd year WR. In the SB, he goes for 9/140/1. When was the last time Jenkins put up numbers like that? I would tell you that it had to occur with an O on his helmet. Because in 7 seasons with the Falcons, Jenkins has never had a 100 yard game.

And one other thing...if GB loses that game then Jones and Nelson DO hear it. Winning solves alot.

Listen, Rodgers played out of his mind during the playoffs. He launched the next great NFL QB career this past month. And the bar continues to be raised for QB's that aspire to greatness. Ryan has his work cut out for him.

But it appears your stance is to write him off and lament why he is not performing at a HOF level. If Ryan has shown anything in his 3 years in the league, it's a dedication and work ethic to become the best QB he can be. To expect that at 25 with 3 years starting under his belt that he is a finished project as he stands here today is awfully naive. Does he need to be better? Yes. Why do you think he can't get better?

[Swift Is a Die Hard]

(02-08-2011 04:27 PM)TheDirtyWord Wrote:  Again...I don't think anyone is arguing Rodgers superiority.

But let's take Jordy Nelson for a second. I believe he is a 2nd year WR. In the SB, he goes for 9/140/1. When was the last time Jenkins put up numbers like that? I would tell you that it had to occur with an O on his helmet. Because in 7 seasons with the Falcons, Jenkins has never had a 100 yard game.

And one other thing...if GB loses that game then Jones and Nelson DO hear it. Winning solves alot.

Listen, Rodgers played out of his mind during the playoffs. He launched the next great NFL QB career this past month. And the bar continues to be raised for QB's that aspire to greatness. Ryan has his work cut out for him.

But it appears your stance is to write him off and lament why he is not performing at a HOF level. If Ryan has shown anything in his 3 years in the league, it's a dedication and work ethic to become the best QB he can be. To expect that at 25 with 3 years starting under his belt that he is a finished project as he stands here today is awfully naive. Does he need to be better? Yes. Why do you think he can't get better?

its cause GB had no running game a guy like Jordy Nelson became relevant . You think GB really wanted to pass as much as they did they were basically forced to with lack of rush offense and Pitt being solid vs rush and stil Packers had some nice runs in SB but it was passing offense opened that up..I dont question Ryan work ethic and will to be the best I question his talent and his arm to be the best ..There is a huge difference there ..

I dont think Ryan can get better from a physical standpoint. His mechanics could slightly improve but after 3 years in NFL coaching you will think you see the huge improvement throughout .

You take a look at Brady/Manning/Rivers/Big Ben /Rodgers you saw the improvement basically by 3rd year in starting. From the deep passing to arm to whatever that made them better by year 3 you saw it

I think Ryan was better year 1 from his game and his progressions to attacking down field ..His numbers were better this year cause of more attempts

[Paulitik]

(02-08-2011 04:11 PM)BullRush Wrote:  See...that right there....

Why is one not allowed not to be enthused? And why most Vick always show up?

Let's be real. besides Swift and a few Ain't fan trolls, all of the die-hard Ryan critics are the ones who can't get over Vick not being our QB. They are the ones that cheered him in the Georgia Dome when the Eagles stomped us.

The fact is Michael Vick, more than even Bobby Petrino decimated this team and shamed us nationally. Matt Ryan came in and on his very first pass began the redemption of his mess.

You have the right to not like Matt Ryan, but that doesn't mean we don't have the right to knock you for it, when you come on here and insult him.

Ryan has done what no QB has ever done for this franchise, win consistently, 3 years in a row. No one could even get 2 before. Chandler, Vick, Bartkowski, Miller, Hebert couldn't. We can argue on the merits of playoff wins, but as far as I'm concerned, 20 playoff wins are meaningless until we get the big one.

I've yet to be convinced that any QB behind center in our 2 recent playoff appearances would have made any difference considering our defensive play. I'm willing to give Matt the benefit of th doubt a couple more years. 3 years into the league and a portion of our fanbase wants to jettison the most winning franchise QB in his first 3 seasons since Marino.

[Gritz]

(02-08-2011 04:38 PM)Paulitik Wrote:  3 years into the league and a portion of our fanbase wants to jettison the most winning franchise QB in his first 3 seasons since Marino.

....and there it is ladies and gentlemen.

The pure insanity of that truth that Paulitik just laid out exposes the insanity of some of the Ryan-bashing that goes on.

It's just some ridiculous shit.

[TheDirtyWord]

(02-08-2011 04:36 PM)Swift Is a Die Hard Wrote:  its cause GB had no running game a guy like Jordy Nelson became relevant . You think GB really wanted to pass as much as they did they were basically forced to with lack of rush offense and Pitt being solid vs rush and stil Packers had some nice runs in SB but it was passing offense opened that up..I dont question Ryan work ethic and will to be the best I question his talent and his arm to be the best ..There is a huge difference there ..

I dont think Ryan can get better from a physical standpoint. His mechanics could slightly improve but after 3 years in NFL coaching you will think you see the huge improvement throughout .

You take a look at Brady/Manning/Rivers/Big Ben /Rodgers you saw the improvement basically by 3rd year in starting. From the deep passing to arm to whatever that made them better by year 3 you saw it

I think Ryan was better year 1 from his game and his progressions to attacking down field ..His numbers were better this year cause of more attempts

I think your facts are off:

Rodgers played in 14.5 games - had 475 pass attempts. Averages out to 32.75 attempts/game

Ryan played in all 16 games with 571 pass attempts. Averages out to 35.68 attempts/game.

So Nelson, didn't become relevant because the Packers throw so much. Now what Rodgers does have that Ryan never will is running ability. Aside from Vick, Rodgers is the most mobile QB in terms of gaining yards on the ground in the NFL. So some of those rushes he had probably started out as pass attempts. But those numbers aren't significantly different than from when Ryan Grant was a viable RB option.

Let's also look at your QB's you mention 3rd year:

Brady - to this point while winning 2 SB's, had never had a YPA over 6.9. His 1st 4000 yard season came in Year 5.

Manning - Was spectacular in Year 3, but it wasn't a heck of a lot different than his Year 2. In years 4 & 5, he threw 42 INT's.

Big Ben - In Year 3, Big Ben's YPA dropped from a career rate of about 8.9 to 7.5...along with an 18:23 TD/INT ratio.

For Rivers it clicked in Year 3. For Rodgers, I'd argue it clicked in Year 2. He was eliminated from the playoffs despite scoring 45 points admidst one of the greatest offensive explosions in NFL history. Both QB's had the benefit of sitting a combined 5 years before taking on starter roles.

So let's agree that each QB has their own journey to their peak self and it's not on some set or pre-determined timetable. Ryan has shown us alot in 3 years. To get where we want to go, he has to show more. I agree. But I think he's capable.

[Paulitik]

(02-08-2011 04:52 PM)Gritblitzer Wrote:  ....and there it is ladies and gentlemen.

The pure insanity of that truth that Paulitik just laid out exposes the insanity of some of the Ryan-bashing that goes on.

It's just some ridiculous shit.

It is, and it's why I'm such a passionate defender of Ryan. Bartkowski had everything you could ever want as far as a QB goes. If you went by measurables, he'd be the greatest QB in NFL history. Probably the best arm I've ever seen. He just couldn't win consistently, and couldn't stay healthy.

People that come here and start Ryan bashing, have zero perspective on this franchise's history. I've been through too much wearing red and black the last 30+ years to not appreciate how good we have it right now with this QB. This kid has it, and I have the utmost confidence he will take us to our first championship.

So excuse the fuck out of me, if you can't handle a fan who defends his QB, especially when he's brought so much good to a team with such a miserable past. When you insult Matt Ryan, it's like insulting my family. As long as he is our QB, shows us the heart he has the past 3 years, I will vehemently defend him.

[Swift Is a Die Hard]

(02-08-2011 04:52 PM)Gritblitzer Wrote:  ....and there it is ladies and gentlemen.

The pure insanity of that truth that Paulitik just laid out exposes the insanity of some of the Ryan-bashing that goes on.

It's just some ridiculous shit.

It quite sad that you guys take that as facts not once have I ever said Trade Ryan, draft another QB , bench Ryan etc but you guys just use that as a silly crutch for a fan base that has lil success so you need to hold a tight grip on any gleam of hope ..same fan base that was saying Vick is GREATEST QB EVER WCO WHAT A FIT ...will see in maybe a year or 2 what I been seeing now and you will eventually lead the criticism on Ryan instead of me Im the type of person that will let you guys know TOLD YOU SO ..

but if Ryan ever does take that next step and leads us to a Super Bowl ..You guys can sit back and say it to me ..I will be happy as a pig and shit to be proven wrong about Ryan in this scheme ..I will glady eat my crow

[ChrisD]

I'll make one reply to this thread:

I'm tired of everyone comparing Aaron Rogers and Matt Ryan just because Rogers just basically won the Packers a superbowl. Totally different QB's. Ryan is a TRUE pocket passer. He's not made for running around and extending plays. He's built for a timing offense. Rogers is a scrambler. People will say he's not (And let's face it, it's because he's a white quarterback with an arm) but he is. The guy has speed, and he gets out of the pocket and runs to make plays. Totally different qb.

[ChrisD]

(02-08-2011 05:10 PM)Swift Is a Die Hard Wrote:  It quite sad that you guys take that as facts not once have I ever said Trade Ryan, draft another QB , bench Ryan etc but you guys just use that as a silly crutch for a fan base that has lil success so you need to hold a tight grip on any gleam of hope ..same fan base that was saying Vick is GREATEST QB EVER WCO WHAT A FIT ...will see in maybe a year or 2 what I been seeing now and you will eventually lead the criticism on Ryan instead of me Im the type of person that will let you guys know TOLD YOU SO ..

but if Ryan ever does take that next step and leads us to a Super Bowl ..You guys can sit back and say it to me ..I will be happy as a pig and shit to be proven wrong about Ryan in this scheme ..I will glady eat my crow

Alright I lied, one more.

You actually did say that we need to draft, or get a true franchise QB. You said it a few days after our playoff loss. If I could remember what thread, I would show you, but I can't. So you'll have to take my word for it. But you DEFINITELY said that, in those words exactly.

[Swift Is a Die Hard]

(02-08-2011 05:15 PM)ChrisD Wrote:  Alright I lied, one more.

You actually did say that we need to draft, or get a true franchise QB. You said it a few days after our playoff loss. If I could remember what thread, I would show you, but I can't. So you'll have to take my word for it. But you DEFINITELY said that, in those words exactly.

please show me that reply ..cause that is a LIE...

I have never in my life said bench Ryan, trade him or draft another QB ...we are not there yet imo ..I feel if Ryan doesnt lead us to a playoff win or deep into playoffs next 2 years I do feel we should look to draft one in possibly 2013 but thats far down the road and based off hypothetical .

I give Ryan next 2 years to start making noise in playoffs and actually accomplishing something before I consider going down that road