Lawrence Taylor goes on Foxnews and brings the lulz.

[Beef]

Right, of course she's not a gold digging runaway whore who lied about her age & then realized she just had sex with a wealthy celebrity & now trying to take advantage of the situation. That never happens.

No, I don't at all condone prostitution or the use of one as LT did, not one friggin bit. BUT, this girl is lieing her ass off & trying to get paid, period. She's no victim. And shame on YOU ***edited*** if you "pick her side". There's no "side" to pick here. Both are cuplable.

[The Falcon Jedi]

(03-24-2011 03:30 PM)Beef Wrote:  Right, of course she's not a gold digging runaway whore who lied about her age & then realized she just had sex with a wealthy celebrity & now trying to take advantage of the situation. That never happens.

No, I don't at all condone prostitution or the use of one as LT did, not one friggin bit. BUT, this girl is lieing her ass off & trying to get paid, period. She's no victim. And shame on YOU for being a gullible twit if you "pick her side". There's no "side" to pick here. Both are cuplable.

Im not taking what she did at all. She is partly at fault for her own behavior. But LT should know better, and behave better. Isnt he married? How many kids does he have?

[papachaz]

(03-23-2011 04:15 PM)mdrake34 Wrote:  "It's the world of prostitution," he said during the Fox News interview. "You never know what you're gonna get. Is it gonna be a pretty girl, an ugly girl or whatever it's gonna be."

Actually, I made a phone call to a friend of mine, and he made a phone call."

It's the oldest profession in the world."

ok, i'm not one to use a prostitute, but come on man, you gonna pay for an ugly chick? aren't most ugly chicks glad to get what they can get when they can get it?

second, he called a friend who made a call, ok if your friend is setting you up with an ugly chick, the first time you laugh it off, the second time you get pissed off, but if he has a friend who is setting him up with an ugly chick he has PAY??? it's time to kick his ass and find new friends,

last point, prostitution is NOT the oldest profession in the world, begging is....someone had to ask for it strong enough to put the notion in that first womans mind, 'hey i could get something out of this'

a very upfront and honest interview....i'm sure he's paying for this with the wife, but at least he didn't sugarcoat it...

[cooperbh]

(03-24-2011 03:30 PM)Beef Wrote:  Right, of course she's not a gold digging runaway whore who lied about her age & then realized she just had sex with a wealthy celebrity & now trying to take advantage of the situation. That never happens.

No, I don't at all condone prostitution or the use of one as LT did, not one friggin bit. BUT, this girl is lieing her ass off & trying to get paid, period. She's no victim. And shame on YOU for being a gullible twit if you "pick her side". There's no "side" to pick here. Both are cuplable.

Right. Of course the account given by this "gold digging runaway whore" of being physically coerced into prostitution by her pimp - a wonderful man who was on parole at the time of the incident for manslaughter and robbery - couldn't possibly be true. That never happens.

I'm sorry, but to state out of hand that an underage prostitute is no victim is the height of both ignorance and callousness. Barring the rare exception, all prostitutes are victims in one way or the other. Do a little research on the subject and you'll find that the reality of the sex trade industry is miles apart from the "Pretty Woman/Striptease" world of ambitious gold diggers you seem to believe exists.

And I see you managed to throw one of your patented preemptive insults in there. Good job. I'm sure you'll innocently claim that referring to those who disagree with you as "gullible twits" is somehow not an insult, but I'll just leave that for others to determine.

[cooperbh]

(03-25-2011 05:17 AM)chazmataz Wrote:  ok, i'm not one to use a prostitute, but come on man, you gonna pay for an ugly chick? aren't most ugly chicks glad to get what they can get when they can get it?

second, he called a friend who made a call, ok if your friend is setting you up with an ugly chick, the first time you laugh it off, the second time you get pissed off, but if he has a friend who is setting him up with an ugly chick he has PAY??? it's time to kick his ass and find new friends,

last point, prostitution is NOT the oldest profession in the world, begging is....someone had to ask for it strong enough to put the notion in that first womans mind, 'hey i could get something out of this'

a very upfront and honest interview....i'm sure he's paying for this with the wife, but at least he didn't sugarcoat it...

So, we're basically appauding a drug addicted statutory rapist for demonstrating absolutely no remorse for his actions or the pain those actions may have caused his underage victim.

Yay, celebrity entitlement!

[Beef]

(03-25-2011 12:36 PM)cooperbh Wrote:  Right. Of course the account given by this "gold digging runaway whore" of being physically coerced into prostitution by her pimp - a wonderful man who was on parole at the time of the incident for manslaughter and robbery - couldn't possibly be true. That never happens.

I'm sorry, but to state out of hand that an underage prostitute is no victim is the height of both ignorance and callousness. Barring the rare exception, all prostitutes are victims in one way or the other. Do a little research on the subject and you'll find that the reality of the sex trade industry is miles apart from the "Pretty Woman/Striptease" world of ambitious gold diggers you seem to believe exists.

And I see you managed to throw one of your patented preemptive insults in there. Good job. I'm sure you'll innocently claim that referring to those who disagree with you as "gullible twits" is somehow not an insult, but I'll just leave that for others to determine.

I'm not even going to argue this with you. You've already proven you're a bleeding-heart lib so I'm not surprised you're defending a freaking whore & erring on the side of her being a victim when you don't know the circumstances at all either.

And I'm sorry if you think me calling you a bleeding-heart lib is an insult, it's not. It just means you have that point of view so we're never going to agree on anything that has to do with these types of topics (just like the last one about players vs. owners).

And stop being so damn sensitive, just put me on ignore.

[cooperbh]

(03-25-2011 05:35 PM)Beef Wrote:  I'm not even going to argue this with you. You've already proven you're a bleeding-heart lib so I'm not surprised you're defending a freaking whore & erring on the side of her being a victim when you don't know the circumstances at all either.

And I'm sorry if you think me calling you a bleeding-heart lib is an insult, it's not. It just means you have that point of view so we're never going to agree on anything that has to do with these types of topics (just like the last one about players vs. owners).

And stop being so damn sensitive. just put me on ignore.

I'm only defending a 16-year old girl found being held against her will by a covicted killer who, according to his own words, beat her and then plied her with ecstasy and marijuana before sending her to LT's hotel room. Judging by the amount of utter contempt dripping from your "defending a freaking whore" comment, it seems pretty apparent that you believe this girl got exactly what was coming to her. If my taking exception to such a crass and myopic sentiment makes me a "bleeding heart lib," or whatever other "non-insulting" label you want to tag me with, so be it.

And sorry, I don't put people on ignore. If you're bothered that much by someone disagreeing with you, I'd suggest not posting your thoughts on a public forum.

[Beef]

(03-25-2011 07:01 PM)cooperbh Wrote:  I'm only defending a 16-year old girl found being held against her will by a covicted killer who, according to his own words, beat her and then plied her with ecstasy and marijuana before sending her to LT's hotel room. Judging by the amount of utter contempt dripping from your "defending a freaking whore" comment, it seems pretty apparent that you believe this girl got exactly what was coming to her. If my taking exception to such a crass and myopic sentiment makes me a "bleeding heart lib," or whatever other "non-insulting" label you want to tag me with, so be it.

And sorry, I don't put people on ignore. If you're bothered that much by someone disagreeing with you, I'd suggest not posting your thoughts on a public forum.

See, this is going nowhere & now you're even stepping over the line. It's pretty damn arrogant of you to infer my beliefs comprise an acceptance of abuse against women. No insult I've made on these forums has ever come close to that level of abhorrence. I'd say you should be ashamed, but I know that's futile.

Here's a clue... Not everyone is perfect, some people are bad, some people lie, some people do terrible things in the name of self-preservation & some do even worse simply because they're fucking evil. Not everyone is worth saving because some can't & don't want to be saved. And ultimately, you nor I knows the truth & where any of these people in this story belong.

As a result, I choose to not be on a side & not assume anything & only talk about what I do know. The girl is a runaway & living on the street, obviously trying to do everything possible to stay alive. Well guess what, wholesome innocent virgin victims don't usually run away from home & choose to cavort with the likes of drug dealing women beating pimps. You don't just accidentally stumble into that type of environment & end up one day fucking Lawrence Taylor for $300 bucks purely by dumb luck.

I absolutely deplore LT for his part in this. I think it's disgusting & I hope his wife leaves him & takes half his shit. But at the same time, I'm not going to feel sorry for this girl when I'm certain that someone doesn't just go from being an innocent child one day to being a hooker overnight. There's a whole ton of bad choices that have to be made prior to this happening. And I don't want to hear about her being a 16 year old. My 11 year old knows right from wrong & good from bad. So does my 8 year old.

Now if you were to ask me what my gut thinks, I've already said it. I grew up in a military family & I learned early on that my actions & decisions are my responsibility & mine alone. My gut tells me she made the choice to run away from home, do drugs, allow herself to be in a position to get pimped out & all the horrible shit that comes along with that, & after she told someone she hooked LT, the dollar signs started flashing & here we are. Could that be wrong? Sure, but even if some of it is, she's still responsible for some horrible decisions none-the-less, so I'm not going to pity her & act like this is all someone elses fault.

Now you obviously do pity her & you know what I think of that. I've been around long enough & experienced plenty to not be fooled by what people say or what's printed in the media. You're welcome to don those rose-colored glasses if you want though.

[takeitdown]

(03-25-2011 08:48 PM)Beef Wrote:  See, this is going nowhere & now you're even stepping over the line. It's pretty damn arrogant of you to infer my beliefs comprise an acceptance of abuse against women. No insult I've made on these forums has ever come close to that level of abhorrence. I'd say you should be ashamed, but I know that's futile.

Here's a clue... Not everyone is perfect, some people are bad, some people lie, some people do terrible things in the name of self-preservation & some do even worse simply because they're fucking evil. Not everyone is worth saving because some can't & don't want to be saved. And ultimately, you nor I knows the truth & where any of these people in this story belong.

As a result, I choose to not be on a side & not assume anything & only talk about what I do know. The girl is a runaway & living on the street, obviously trying to do everything possible to stay alive. Well guess what, wholesome innocent virgin victims don't usually run away from home & choose to cavort with the likes of drug dealing women beating pimps. You don't just accidentally stumble into that type of environment & end up one day fucking Lawrence Taylor for $300 bucks purely by dumb luck.

I absolutely deplore LT for his part in this. I think it's disgusting & I hope his wife leaves him & takes half his shit. But at the same time, I'm not going to feel sorry for this girl when I'm certain that someone doesn't just go from being an innocent child one day to being a hooker overnight. There's a whole ton of bad choices that have to be made prior to this happening. And I don't want to hear about her being a 16 year old. My 11 year old knows right from wrong & good from bad. So does my 8 year old.

Now if you were to ask me what my gut thinks, I've already said it. I grew up in a military family & I learned early on that my actions & decisions are my responsibility & mine alone. My gut tells me she made the choice to run away from home, do drugs, allow herself to be in a position to get pimped out & all the horrible shit that comes along with that, & after she told someone she hooked LT, the dollar signs started flashing & here we are. Could that be wrong? Sure, but even if some of it is, she's still responsible for some horrible decisions none-the-less, so I'm not going to pity her & act like this is all someone elses fault.

Now you obviously do pity her & you know what I think of that. I've been around long enough & experienced plenty to not be fooled by what people say or what's printed in the media. You're welcome to don those rose-colored glasses if you want though.

I think there's a good chance the girl was a prostitute who saw dollar signs. I don't trust media reporting of hardly anything.

However, I think you have a naive view of the sex trade. Lots of these kids didn't have a lot of choices to make. Many were abused sexually and beaten by a father or stepfather, with a mother who wouldn't defend them and had to get out, at 13, or 14, or 15. There aren't a lot of right choices if your parents are horrible people and hang you out to dry.

Once there, we've all seen how much more it costs to live than it seems. And again, there are few choices. Many, in that situation, will take to hooking, as it's the only means of money, and they'll try to pretend it's what they want, out of a need to feel control or power over some part of their lives.

A lot of people out there doing that have been sexually abused, and it does a horrible number. Be around a few of these people and you'll see how it crushes a part of them for life, and really alters their world view.

Now imagine, you've tried to strike out for yourself, get away from your parents, and you turned one trick, or got in with a guy who you thought was your boyfriend, but then starts getting you to sleep with his "friend" for money (often how these things start out)...what do you do? You're emotionally a mess, you don't have a place to live if you leave him, you can't go back home to your abusive dad, you're out of good choices.

I'm all for personal responsibility, but I grew up poor and saw people whose choices were to quit school at 14 to support their family because their mother was injured, or ignore their mother and two younger sisters and "go get theirs" by getting an education. I respect the man who stops at 14 and supports his family by working 15 hours a day. But that man is doomed to poverty because he lacks an education, and his back will probably be shot in 10 years.

This girl may well have just seen dollar signs afterward...and honestly, that was my first thought as well. It's just that I don't like everything being attributed to bad choices. As much as America is a land of freedom and all of that, some poor kids simply are left with choices, but none of them good. I've known these people and feel for the ones I don't know. When I first started being around middle class people, and seeing how hard it was for them to mess up, and how hard it was for people I grew up with to get out....I started to understand how people think we all have all these choices. They had them. It doesn't mean everyone did. I know it's hard to imagine a world where your dad was never around, your mom made minimum wage, and if the car broke down she lost her job and everyone went hungry...and that's if the mom was a good woman and stood behind her responsibilities...but a lot of people live that way. They're generally the ones who end up at these places.

[cooperbh]

(03-25-2011 08:48 PM)Beef Wrote:  See, this is going nowhere & now you're even stepping over the line. It's pretty damn arrogant of you to infer my beliefs comprise an acceptance of abuse against women. No insult I've made on these forums has ever come close to that level of abhorrence. I'd say you should be ashamed, but I know that's futile.

Here's a clue... Not everyone is perfect, some people are bad, some people lie, some people do terrible things in the name of self-preservation & some do even worse simply because they're fucking evil. Not everyone is worth saving because some can't & don't want to be saved. And ultimately, you nor I knows the truth & where any of these people in this story belong.

As a result, I choose to not be on a side & not assume anything & only talk about what I do know. The girl is a runaway & living on the street, obviously trying to do everything possible to stay alive. Well guess what, wholesome innocent virgin victims don't usually run away from home & choose to cavort with the likes of drug dealing women beating pimps. You don't just accidentally stumble into that type of environment & end up one day fucking Lawrence Taylor for $300 bucks purely by dumb luck.

I absolutely deplore LT for his part in this. I think it's disgusting & I hope his wife leaves him & takes half his shit. But at the same time, I'm not going to feel sorry for this girl when I'm certain that someone doesn't just go from being an innocent child one day to being a hooker overnight. There's a whole ton of bad choices that have to be made prior to this happening. And I don't want to hear about her being a 16 year old. My 11 year old knows right from wrong & good from bad. So does my 8 year old.

Now if you were to ask me what my gut thinks, I've already said it. I grew up in a military family & I learned early on that my actions & decisions are my responsibility & mine alone. My gut tells me she made the choice to run away from home, do drugs, allow herself to be in a position to get pimped out & all the horrible shit that comes along with that, & after she told someone she hooked LT, the dollar signs started flashing & here we are. Could that be wrong? Sure, but even if some of it is, she's still responsible for some horrible decisions none-the-less, so I'm not going to pity her & act like this is all someone elses fault.

Now you obviously do pity her & you know what I think of that. I've been around long enough & experienced plenty to not be fooled by what people say or what's printed in the media. You're welcome to don those rose-colored glasses if you want though.

No, wholesome innocent virgin victims don't usually run away from home & choose to cavort with the likes of drug dealing women beating pimps. Most sex industry workers (an estimated 75%) lose their virginity before the age of 14 as victims of sexual abuse. If you wanna know why an underage girl might run away from home and find herself living on the street doing everything possible to stay alive, there you go.

I highly doubt that your kids have have been victims of such abuse, so it's not surprising that they know right from wrong and make sound choices.

I'm sorry, but any woman who has been physically abused is a victim. Period. I don't care if she is a prostitute or a prom queen. Spare me the faux outrage over being referred to as someone who accepts such abuse. You've been loudly demonstrating that acceptance from the first time you said of the underaged girl who showed up to LT's hotel room beaten and drugged, "She's no victim."

How in the hell is she anything but?