I don't really think the problem is Mike Mularkey

[Radical]

(10-18-2010 03:59 PM)Swift Is a Die Hard Wrote:  That throw to Tony G was high and sailed and also behind him..Its a play Tony G should and has made but that was not a good thrown ball.. also Tony G doesnt have the athletic body he once had where he can jump , run and do everything a elite TE can now he is more of a possession TE that cant attack down field like the great TES like Clark/Gates now


Tony G has been great for us on and off the field but the added pressure of him being here could be one of the many lil factors we have not seen a great improvement from our young QB

If you're a receiver, especially one of Tony's caliber, if the ball hits both of your hands, you catch the ball. This isn't back yard football, this is the NFL. Tony's made that catch many times before, and he should have made it there. Ryan got the ball to Tony, which is all you can ask for. Strong arm, weak arm, left handed, right hander, bullet, lob, etc. If the ball hits both of your hands, especially as open as he was, there is no excuses for the ball not being caught.

[phocis850]

(10-18-2010 03:59 PM)Swift Is a Die Hard Wrote:  That throw to Tony G was high and sailed and also behind him..Its a play Tony G should and has made but that was not a good thrown ball.. also Tony G doesnt have the athletic body he once had where he can jump , run and do everything a elite TE can now he is more of a possession TE that cant attack down field like the great TES like Clark/Gates now

It was still catchable. He had his hands on it.

[Peyton]

(10-18-2010 03:49 PM)phocis850 Wrote:  Gonzo and Roddy nearly catch everything that hits their hands. They are play makers in the passing game. It looked like Jenkins wants to step it up as well.

I don't think you can use that excuse either. Look at what Detroit is doing right now. Look at the Saints last season. Look at the always amazing Schaub/Johnson connection. We don't need playmakers everywhere, but we need more big plays. The amount of 3rd and long conversions are tiresome. Though we have a high percentage, we cannot rely on that clutch play every 3rd down.

During the offseason everyone agreed that we have the personnel to make it to the playoffs and potentially the SuperBowl. We still do.

I didn't think that. I still don't think that, but I was encouraged by Jenkins yesterday.

[Radical]

Our line has simply underachieved this year. They've done poor this year, and that will hurt any offense in a big way.

[Peyton]

(10-18-2010 04:07 PM)Radical Wrote:  Our line has simply underachieved this year. They've done poor this year, and that will hurt any offense in a big way.

Agreed. In pass protection, they seem to be getting worse by the game.

[Radical]

(10-18-2010 04:14 PM)Peyton Wrote:  Agreed. In pass protection, they seem to be getting worse by the game.

I'd like to know what scheme or offensive coordinator could possibly make up for our line getting beat regularly against 3 and 4 man rushes. The game is about players more than it is specific scheme. Mike Martz ran an all world offense with the Rams... when he had a HOF QB, a HOF RB, 2 HOF caliber WRs, and a great offensive line. Didn't work out so well without the players.

[Falconidae]

First post on the new board.

Don't think the problem is just mularkey, I think he gets part of the blame, poor execution gets part of the blame too. Too many plays we know are coming , but way too many plays where we say- man, he's got to catch that, man Ryan has to make a better throw/ find the open man.

I'd like to see some 3 wide sets with White, HD, Jenkins, Gonzo and Snelling. Run that for a series or two, get the D winded, bring the big bodies in.
Think that's a formation Ryan would be comfortable in, got the run option with Snelling, he picks up the blitz well, and could sneak out of the backfield to be a checkdown.

[Peyton]

(10-18-2010 04:21 PM)Falconidae Wrote:  First post on the new board.

Don't think the problem is just mularkey, I think he gets part of the blame, poor execution gets part of the blame too. Too many plays we know are coming , but way too many plays where we say- man, he's got to catch that, man Ryan has to make a better throw/ find the open man.

I'd like to see some 3 wide sets with White, HD, Jenkins, Gonzo and Snelling. Run that for a series or two, get the D winded, bring the big bodies in.
Think that's a formation Ryan would be comfortable in, got the run option with Snelling, he picks up the blitz well, and could sneak out of the backfield to be a checkdown.

Welcome

I agree with the Mike Mularkey detractors on one thing - the plays that he are calling are not overly creative or dynamic. The only place I disagree with them on is the reason for it.

I think the O line is very poor in pass protection (a lot better in the run game), and I think the skill position players just aren't as talented as advertised......except Roddy White of course.

[The Don™]

Problems...In no order...

1. Mularkey. The routes being ran(too many curls and comebacks and too many routes to the outside). No screens. Predictability( I know what's coming half the time). His inability to adjust after the run game is not working. New OC please at the end of the season

2. OL's inability to pass protect. This results in quick throws and hardly any time for Matt to throw deep. We gotta upgrade this damn OL.

3. Matt stares down receivers often and misses open targets( I counted that a few times yesterday and in past games this year). IDK, is he doing it on purpose b/c he knows the OL can't give him enough time to pass protect? Possibly...

4. Harry Douglas just keeps on dropping key passes.

5. We need another threat at WR(a new #2 WR). Roddy is probably the only WR on this offense that teams are scared of.

5. Going back to Matt. He does stare down Roddy and Tony down at times and will miss an open receiver. Hopefully with Jenks coming back, Harry will get more comfortable(going back to the slot) and it will open up the offense more.

^^^I think that pretty much covers it...I have more confidence in the defense at this point

[kibitzer]

(10-18-2010 04:21 PM)Falconidae Wrote:  First post on the new board.

Don't think the problem is just mularkey, I think he gets part of the blame, poor execution gets part of the blame too. Too many plays we know are coming , but way too many plays where we say- man, he's got to catch that, man Ryan has to make a better throw/ find the open man.

I'd like to see some 3 wide sets with White, HD, Jenkins, Gonzo and Snelling. Run that for a series or two, get the D winded, bring the big bodies in.
Think that's a formation Ryan would be comfortable in, got the run option with Snelling, he picks up the blitz well, and could sneak out of the backfield to be a checkdown.

Welcome, glad you're here.

I wish you all could have heard whoever it was Colin Cowherd was interviewing on his show this morning. They were talking about OCs, and this guy was breaking it down really well.

Basically, there are 2 types, and it has to do w/the way they think. You're either one-dimensional in the way you approach play creation and calling, or you're multi-dimensional. Multi obviously having the advantage.

Malarky is one dimensional. I don't know how you can't see that, Peyton, WRs, and poor OL play notwithstanding.