I don't really think the problem is Mike Mularkey

[Sun Tzu 7]

Quote:Even during those rare times when Ryan has a clean pocket to throw from, he still seems to be looking to get the ball out as quickly as possible. Since the 49ers game (Where he got harrassed all day) it appears he no longer trusts this unit to protect him for any amount of time. Unfortunately, I'm starting to see some happy feet again.

Yeah... now that I think about it didn't the same thing happen this time last year?

is it me or was the line better when Weiner was in for an injured Baker?

[phocis850]

(10-18-2010 11:26 AM)Peyton Wrote:  The Falcons offense isn't terrible, they are top half of the league in points and yards 3 years running.

I share some of the same frustrations with Mularkey that other board members do. I just think the talent he is working with isn't nearly as substantial as we'd all like to think.

Ok.... so this is where I lay the wood. Peyton, you are flat out wrong here. We have 4 potential pro bowl players on offense. The only one looking like a pro bowler this year is Roddy. Stop looking at the stats and look at the games. Those stats are PADDED by the AZ game. Claiming that the offense is in the top half of the league in points and yards this year is accurate, but not telling the whole story.

Everyone is claiming that we are lucky this year. Yes we are. We have double digit picks, other teams missed field goals, and we are facing 2nd and 3rd string qb's. Feel free to claim that our offense is fine. You are lying to yourself. We are ineffective in the redzone (see, NO and SF games). We are coming from behind in every game. All the fans have had about 3-4 heart attacks this year already due to missed opportunities and "good luck".

This offense looks terrible. How many passes do we have over 25 yards now? How many runs? Many off this is on the OLine, but not all. We are NOT stretching the field. We are too conservative thinking that the 2-3 yard gains are good enough. What ever happened to getting on the field to try and score? Our offense plays to get every 10 yards. Eventually we get in the red zone and the db's and safetys can get in close to the line of scrimmage and cover the passing lanes very easily.

Let's see....

- Pit has a great D. We have realized that. We lost to a 3rd String QB that seemed to be doing pretty well.
- SF has a great D. Their offense is not to shabby either, just need to stop turnovers. We win because of Roddy White.
- NO has a great O. Brees has been out of it. Bush was not there. Hartley missed the FG and we won.
- Cle has a decent O and D. You heard the announcers all game saying that we could pick them apart with the pass and run because of their injuries and the mismatches. We barely won that game. (2nd, then 3rd string qb)
- Phi has a great O and banged up D. We couldn't move the ball to save our lives the first half. The passed all over us. They created mismatches to take advantage of our vanilla D play calling. The D line (banged up) was tearing us apart. Our running game never took off, and Ryan was off on his passing attempts.

The defenses playing us are all staying within 15 yards of the los. They have nothing to be scared of. Ryans deep ball has been off and he just can't seem to get it under control so he doesn't try. Since MM is playcalling to get to the 1st down, we have limited ourselves to the self infliction that is occurring.

It's about time to start doing some risky stuff. Motivate the players with gutsy play calling. This dink and dunk is clearly not working. Our record doesn't show it, but the Eagles game should have clarified that for everyone, including you Peyton.

[Peyton]

(10-18-2010 01:45 PM)phocis850 Wrote:  Ok.... so this is where I lay the wood. Peyton, you are flat out wrong here. We have 4 potential pro bowl players on offense. The only one looking like a pro bowler this year is Roddy. Stop looking at the stats and look at the games. Those stats are PADDED by the AZ game. Claiming that the offense is in the top half of the league in points and yards this year is accurate, but not telling the whole story.

Everyone is claiming that we are lucky this year. Yes we are. We have double digit picks, other teams missed field goals, and we are facing 2nd and 3rd string qb's. Feel free to claim that our offense is fine. You are lying to yourself. We are ineffective in the redzone (see, NO and SF games). We are coming from behind in every game. All the fans have had about 3-4 heart attacks this year already due to missed opportunities and "good luck".

This offense looks terrible. How many passes do we have over 25 yards now? How many runs? Many off this is on the OLine, but not all. We are NOT stretching the field. We are too conservative thinking that the 2-3 yard gains are good enough. What ever happened to getting on the field to try and score? Our offense plays to get every 10 yards. Eventually we get in the red zone and the db's and safetys can get in close to the line of scrimmage and cover the passing lanes very easily.

Let's see....

- Pit has a great D. We have realized that. We lost to a 3rd String QB that seemed to be doing pretty well.
- SF has a great D. Their offense is not to shabby either, just need to stop turnovers. We win because of Roddy White.
- NO has a great O. Brees has been out of it. Bush was not there. Hartley missed the FG and we won.
- Cle has a decent O and D. You heard the announcers all game saying that we could pick them apart with the pass and run because of their injuries and the mismatches. We barely won that game. (2nd, then 3rd string qb)
- Phi has a great O and banged up D. We couldn't move the ball to save our lives the first half. The passed all over us. They created mismatches to take advantage of our vanilla D play calling. The D line (banged up) was tearing us apart. Our running game never took off, and Ryan was off on his passing attempts.

The defenses playing us are all staying within 15 yards of the los. They have nothing to be scared of. Ryans deep ball has been off and he just can't seem to get it under control so he doesn't try. Since MM is playcalling to get to the 1st down, we have limited ourselves to the self infliction that is occurring.

It's about time to start doing some risky stuff. Motivate the players with gutsy play calling. This dink and dunk is clearly not working. Our record doesn't show it, but the Eagles game should have clarified that for everyone, including you Peyton.

I'm not arguing that the offense is all that. I think I've been making the exact opposite argument all year. I just disagree with you about the talent. I don't think Turner is a Pro Bowl level RB, although he obviously made one. I think Gonzo's best days are behind him. And I think there are at least 5 or 6 QBs better than Ryan in the NFC.

I think what will happen if we start seeing "riskier plays" is that we'll start to see more disasters. The pass protection doesn't seem to be there.

[Swift Is a Die Hard]

(10-18-2010 01:57 PM)Peyton Wrote:  I'm not arguing that the offense is all that. I think I've been making the exact opposite argument all year. I just disagree with you about the talent. I don't think Turner is a Pro Bowl level RB, although he obviously made one. I think Gonzo's best days are behind him. And I think there are at least 5 or 6 QBs better than Ryan in the NFC.

I think what will happen if we start seeing "riskier plays" is that we'll start to see more disasters. The pass protection doesn't seem to be there.

There are atleast 5 better QBS in NFC better then Ryan

Romo
Brees
Manning
Favre & McNabb ( even though past there prime still better)


Then Ill put Ryan and Cutler in same boat ....even though Id rather have Ryan cause he is smart and not the gun slinger Cutler is

[phocis850]

(10-18-2010 01:57 PM)Peyton Wrote:  I'm not arguing that the offense is all that. I think I've been making the exact opposite argument all year. I just disagree with you about the talent. I don't think Turner is a Pro Bowl level RB, although he obviously made one. I think Gonzo's best days are behind him. And I think there are at least 5 or 6 QBs better than Ryan in the NFC.

I think what will happen if we start seeing "riskier plays" is that we'll start to see more disasters. The pass protection doesn't seem to be there.

I did say potential pro bowlers.

I don't see why we can't have Ryan in shotgun with 2 rb's back there for protection. We could have Snelling checkdown if needed. If we need more pass protection, then lets have it. If the Oline isn't stepping up, keep a rb in there to chip someone (like turner did to that poor eagles player, lol) and give us that extra 1/2-1 second needed.

[Swift Is a Die Hard]

Not having a play maker like Norwood is also a negative.. The offense moves so much better with Norwood its not even funny he is like our Reggie Bush

[Peyton]

(10-18-2010 02:16 PM)phocis850 Wrote:  I did say potential pro bowlers.

I don't see why we can't have Ryan in shotgun with 2 rb's back there for protection. We could have Snelling checkdown if needed. If we need more pass protection, then lets have it. If the Oline isn't stepping up, keep a rb in there to chip someone (like turner did to that poor eagles player, lol) and give us that extra 1/2-1 second needed.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not the biggest fan of Mike Mularkey. I just think that the deteriorating pass protection and lack of certain types of skill players on offense are limiting what he can do.

[phocis850]

(10-18-2010 02:31 PM)Peyton Wrote:  Don't get me wrong, I'm not the biggest fan of Mike Mularkey. I just think that the deteriorating pass protection and lack of certain types of skill players on offense are limiting what he can do.

Gonzo and Roddy nearly catch everything that hits their hands. They are play makers in the passing game. It looked like Jenkins wants to step it up as well.

I don't think you can use that excuse either. Look at what Detroit is doing right now. Look at the Saints last season. Look at the always amazing Schaub/Johnson connection. We don't need playmakers everywhere, but we need more big plays. The amount of 3rd and long conversions are tiresome. Though we have a high percentage, we cannot rely on that clutch play every 3rd down.

During the offseason everyone agreed that we have the personnel to make it to the playoffs and potentially the SuperBowl. We still do.

[Radical]

Gonzo has been dropping some passes lately. Perfect example was the ball that hit both of his hands that ended up in the hands of Asante Samuel. Regardless, I believe we have solid/above average skill position players. The problem is our offensive line. Baker gets abused regularly, and no one else on the line has been consistent enough as of late for it to matter what play is called.

It doesn't matter what the play call is. If you're running a heavy set and plan on running the ball in a goal line type situation, you shouldn't be going backwards, ever. If they put 8-10 in the box and we put 5 offensive linemen, 2-3 TEs, a FB, and a RB, we shouldn't ever be facing contact BEHIND the LOS.

You can't throw deep if you don't have the time, and Ryan doesn't.
You can't consistently run if you can't get a forward push, and we don't have that.

Our line is our single biggest problem between where we are now and having an "elite" offense. Running 4 WR sets every down isn't going to make our line block better, it isn't going to give Ryan more time, and it isn't going to cure anything. Teams are rushing 3 or 4 guys and getting to Ryan, and no offensive scheme in the world overcomes that, period.

[Swift Is a Die Hard]

That throw to Tony G was high and sailed and also behind him..Its a play Tony G should and has made but that was not a good thrown ball.. also Tony G doesnt have the athletic body he once had where he can jump , run and do everything a elite TE can now he is more of a possession TE that cant attack down field like the great TES like Clark/Gates now


Tony G has been great for us on and off the field but the added pressure of him being here could be one of the many lil factors we have not seen a great improvement from our young QB