How would you resolve the labor dispute?

[The Falcon Jedi]

Imagine it this way - lets say all the vegetables on a farm formed a Union. They dont like how the Farmer treats them. They say he doesnt water them enough, feed them enough fertilizer. So they go on Strike, and stop growing. What do you think happens then?

WE DONT EAT. And we Starve. And the Farmer goes bankrupt, loses his farm to foreclosure, and now we are left with nothing to eat.

Tell me now how this benefits us.

[The Falcon Jedi]

So from the example above, imagine the Players being the Vegetables and the Owners being the Farmers. With no Players there is no Football, and if there is no Football then there is no Owners and no NFL, and nobody Wins.

Players want too much these days. Idiots like DeMaurice Smith is only hurting everything. Players make enough money, they choose to do this as a career because most of them cant do anything else and because it gives them lots of money. Owners OWN the Teams - Its their TEAM. Its their MONEY. If Players arent happy with their compensation then let them find another line of work, and get real jobs like the rest of us. Then see how many of them come running back when they go broke.

[cooperbh]

(05-18-2011 11:49 PM)Beef Wrote:  You seriously think player contracts are reasonable and 6-10% average increase per year won't effect how much we pay for tickets and concessions? Last game I went to for my family of four, it cost me $250 in tickets alone. Add another $100 for parking and concessions. That's freaking expensive as hell. And why is that? And when does it simply become too much? Because with the old CBA, it would only get worse.

And obviously if the players wouldn't agree to a new proposal before the season started, the owners aren't going to just let them stall to the point it's time to cut paychecks, so they were forced to initiate a work stoppage to prevent that. Now they players can't stall.

As a capitalist, I believe that the value of a player's contract is determined by the market, not someone's purely arbitrary definition of what is "reasonable."

Now, of course, I realize that NFL owners, like most corporate socialists, don't believe that their businesses should be subject to the will of a free market, which is why they insist on plenty of artificial controls be put in place - things like salary caps or taxpayer subsidies for stadiums - so that they are shielded from those risks inherent in owning a business.

So, it's not at all surprising that these welfare queens are claiming unsustainability during a time in which they are bringing in record revenues. The thing is I just can't find a single reason to believe their claims.

[cooperbh]

(05-19-2011 12:45 AM)The Falcon Jedi Wrote:  I understand the point that Unions were created for - back in the old days when companies and corporations played corrupt hard-ball and didnt treat their employees right.

But unlike 1850 and the early 1900s, we now have Federal Regulations in place to protect workers. We have a mandated minumum wage scale, health benefits, and unemployment compensation, in addition to 401k and pension plan availability for many others.

There is NO REASON to UNIONIZE in this Country in this Era. Work conditions for most Americans are not that bad. And if they are - then find another Job. Im not part of any Union and no one I know is part of any Union and we are all content with what we earn based on our work performance. And if we are not satisfied then we put out resume's to work for someone else. We dont go on Strike, and stop working and producing - which hurts our economy. We just find somewhere else to work.

When Multi-Millionaires form a Union it makes me sick. Most NFL Players dont even care about the Union they are part of - a lot of them dont have to work another day in their life if they chose.

So when I see people fighting over 9 BILLION DOLLARS... I just LOL and say whatever. Those poor Billionaires, what will they ever do now?

And to answer you - if a Players Union did not exist there would be Football for us to look forward to and enjoy, so all the Union hurts is me the Fan, and You.

Um, about that players union... You know, the one whose existence you claim is solely responsible for us not having football? It currently does not exist. Hasn't for a while, in fact. So, where's football?

As for the rest of your post, your theory that unions striking hurts the economy has one little flaw: There is no historical example of such a thing ever occuring.

[cooperbh]

(05-19-2011 12:55 AM)The Falcon Jedi Wrote:  Imagine it this way - lets say all the vegetables on a farm formed a Union.

Hold on, I'm gonna need to pack a bowl for this one...

[cooperbh]

OK, go on...

(05-19-2011 12:55 AM)The Falcon Jedi Wrote:  Imagine it this way - lets say all the vegetables on a farm formed a Union. They dont like how the Farmer treats them. They say he doesnt water them enough, feed them enough fertilizer. So they go on Strike, and stop growing. What do you think happens then?

WE DONT EAT. And we Starve. And the Farmer goes bankrupt, loses his farm to foreclosure, and now we are left with nothing to eat.

Tell me now how this benefits us.

Dude... I totally get what you are saying. Totally.

[The Falcon Jedi]

(05-19-2011 01:59 AM)cooperbh Wrote:  OK, go on...


Dude... I totally get what you are saying. Totally.

And shrooms dont grow any more either.

[Radical]

(05-19-2011 02:13 AM)The Falcon Jedi Wrote:  And shrooms dont grow any more either.

Pot does though, and I think you're smoking it.

[FireDawg85]

(05-19-2011 01:02 AM)The Falcon Jedi Wrote:  So from the example above, imagine the Players being the Vegetables and the Owners being the Farmers. With no Players there is no Football, and if there is no Football then there is no Owners and no NFL, and nobody Wins.

Players want too much these days. Idiots like DeMaurice Smith is only hurting everything. Players make enough money, they choose to do this as a career because most of them cant do anything else and because it gives them lots of money. Owners OWN the Teams - Its their TEAM. Its their MONEY. If Players arent happy with their compensation then let them find another line of work, and get real jobs like the rest of us. Then see how many of them come running back when they go broke.

Couldnt agree more!!

[The Falcon Jedi]

The question you have to ask is - what does a Union do for a worker that the worker couldnt do for himself?