How would you resolve the labor dispute?

[The Falcon Jedi]

Players want more money, more retirement compensation, for less work. The 18 game season idea isnt going to happen for Players unless they get paid outrageously more.

Owners dont want to spend more, but if they have to then they want more games (18 games) to offset lost revenue.

All this really comes down to is who gets a bigger piece of the pie. Simple solution is to give them both what they want by making the Pie Bigger.

Guarantee more revenue for Owners by lowering salary caps. The salary cap has gotten way out of control. Lower the floor and ceiling of that. The Bucs were so far under the cap last year that they were almost below the floor of it, and they won 10 games and almost made the Playoffs. Teams can operate with low payrolls.

For the Players - give them more money. But only allow them to acquire that more money after each season of playing based on performance + tenure. This Bonus pay DOES NOT count against the Salary Cap and Players have to Earn it. Each team every season will review their Players and determine how much each one gets. This is considered special money that comes right out of the Owners pocket, from their generated revenue, and if a Player deserves it and earns it then the Owner is obligated to pay it. This is guaranteed money for ALL players who make the roster each season and were on the roster the previous season. This will help keep Players staying on the same team since each season they play for the same team their Bonus will accumulate, and deter free-agency which I think has more than anything ruined not only football but all sports.

[Tandy]

Lock De Smith, Goodell, Mawai, Jerry Jones, Richardson and the other key fellows into a small room with minimal food - one small bathroom and no way out until a CBA is done.

[cooperbh]

(05-17-2011 10:25 PM)The Falcon Jedi Wrote:  Players want more money, more retirement compensation, for less work. The 18 game season idea isnt going to happen for Players unless they get paid outrageously more.

Owners dont want to spend more, but if they have to then they want more games (18 games) to offset lost revenue.

Below is ESPN's chronological history of the events that have led to this current work stoppage. Please point to the part where the players demanded more money. I can't find it.


1993
A pivotal year. After Reggie White of the Eagles files a class-action lawsuit, new negotiations begin and the CBA that results from those talks includes more open free agency and a salary cap.

1996
CBA is extended until 1998.

1998
CBA is extended for two more years.

2000
Another two-year extension is worked out by Upshaw and Tagliabue.

2002
A four-year extension to the CBA is completed.

2006
In his final major act as commissioner, Tagliabue negotiates another CBA extension. Only Buffalo and Cincinnati vote against it. Both sides can opt out of it in 2008.

Roger Goodell is elected commissioner after Tagliabue retires.

2008
NFL opts out of the agreement, saying its costs are too high and it needs givebacks from the players.


It's amazing how an irrational and purely politically motivated hatred of unions can turn a worker's reluctance to work more and longer hours without being financially compensated for it into that worker asking for more money.

[Beef]

We've been over this coop, the players aren't innocent here. As much as you try to ignore the truth, the players are asking for something that isn't reasonable or good for this leagues longterm sustainability. The previous CBA was flawed. The players want to keep it in place for a reason, they're making out like bandits. It needed to be re-negotiated.

[Paulitik]

(05-18-2011 10:33 PM)Beef Wrote:  We've been over this coop, the players aren't innocent here. As much as you try to ignore the truth, the players are asking for something that isn't reasonable or good for this leagues longterm sustainability. The previous CBA was flawed. The players want to keep it in place for a reason, they're making out like bandits. It needed to be re-negotiated.

Just a question. How was the previous CBA not good for long term sustainability? Is the NFL going broke?

Is the players being happy with the deal mean they are making out like bandits?

I don't have a problem with the opt out. But why conspire to lockout, and destroy any trust between parties?

Could a new CBA not have been negotiated without a lockout?

[The Falcon Jedi]

(05-18-2011 09:55 PM)cooperbh Wrote:  Below is ESPN's chronological history of the events that have led to this current work stoppage. Please point to the part where the players demanded more money. I can't find it.


1993
A pivotal year. After Reggie White of the Eagles files a class-action lawsuit, new negotiations begin and the CBA that results from those talks includes more open free agency and a salary cap.

1996
CBA is extended until 1998.

1998
CBA is extended for two more years.

2000
Another two-year extension is worked out by Upshaw and Tagliabue.

2002
A four-year extension to the CBA is completed.

2006
In his final major act as commissioner, Tagliabue negotiates another CBA extension. Only Buffalo and Cincinnati vote against it. Both sides can opt out of it in 2008.

Roger Goodell is elected commissioner after Tagliabue retires.

2008
NFL opts out of the agreement, saying its costs are too high and it needs givebacks from the players.


It's amazing how an irrational and purely politically motivated hatred of unions can turn a worker's reluctance to work more and longer hours without being financially compensated for it into that worker asking for more money.

Unions have corrupted our economy. They serve NO PURPOSE in this era. Yea, back in the 1800s they were useful and necessary and served a purpose. These days tell me what they accomplish?

[Beef]

(05-18-2011 11:29 PM)Paulitik Wrote:  Just a question. How was the previous CBA not good for long term sustainability? Is the NFL going broke?

Is the players being happy with the deal mean they are making out like bandits?

I don't have a problem with the opt out. But why conspire to lockout, and destroy any trust between parties?

Could a new CBA not have been negotiated without a lockout?

You seriously think player contracts are reasonable and 6-10% average increase per year won't effect how much we pay for tickets and concessions? Last game I went to for my family of four, it cost me $250 in tickets alone. Add another $100 for parking and concessions. That's freaking expensive as hell. And why is that? And when does it simply become too much? Because with the old CBA, it would only get worse.

And obviously if the players wouldn't agree to a new proposal before the season started, the owners aren't going to just let them stall to the point it's time to cut paychecks, so they were forced to initiate a work stoppage to prevent that. Now they players can't stall.

[The Falcon Jedi]

I have to agree with Beef. The Players are just in this for the money, and they already make more than anybody here will ever make in their lifetimes. Like Roddy says "Im richer than ma-fucker. I dont have to work another day in my life".

[cooperbh]

(05-18-2011 11:46 PM)The Falcon Jedi Wrote:  Unions have corrupted our economy. They serve NO PURPOSE in this era. Yea, back in the 1800s they were useful and necessary and served a purpose. These days tell me what they accomplish?

I will tell you all the things that unions accomplish just as soon as you tell me how they have corrupted our economy.

[The Falcon Jedi]

(05-19-2011 12:32 AM)cooperbh Wrote:  I will tell you all the things that unions accomplish just as soon as you tell me how they have corrupted our economy.

I understand the point that Unions were created for - back in the old days when companies and corporations played corrupt hard-ball and didnt treat their employees right.

But unlike 1850 and the early 1900s, we now have Federal Regulations in place to protect workers. We have a mandated minumum wage scale, health benefits, and unemployment compensation, in addition to 401k and pension plan availability for many others.

There is NO REASON to UNIONIZE in this Country in this Era. Work conditions for most Americans are not that bad. And if they are - then find another Job. Im not part of any Union and no one I know is part of any Union and we are all content with what we earn based on our work performance. And if we are not satisfied then we put out resume's to work for someone else. We dont go on Strike, and stop working and producing - which hurts our economy. We just find somewhere else to work.

When Multi-Millionaires form a Union it makes me sick. Most NFL Players dont even care about the Union they are part of - a lot of them dont have to work another day in their life if they chose.

So when I see people fighting over 9 BILLION DOLLARS... I just LOL and say whatever. Those poor Billionaires, what will they ever do now?

And to answer you - if a Players Union did not exist there would be Football for us to look forward to and enjoy, so all the Union hurts is me the Fan, and You.