Falcons: Why I feel we can't succeed in this "new" NFL

[atljbo]

(10-10-2011 12:08 AM)Knight of God Wrote:  dead serious

Man I really HATE this regime 100%...I have been at 65-90% the past few years and its nothing new to you. I really HATE this regime. I love the winning but I despise their style. You have heard me use that very statement for how long with these guys?

Dont think its the whole regime... The talent is here.... We need an OC that will put all of our talents to use.


We need to continue to bring talent in... But for me.. Its the coaching... Coach Smith is a good HC... We need aggressive Coordinators tho

[SeaMill]

(10-10-2011 12:08 AM)Knight of God Wrote:  dead serious

Man I really HATE this regime 100%...I have been at 65-90% the past few years and its nothing new to you. I really HATE this regime. I love the winning but I despise their style. You have heard me use that very statement for how long with these guys?

After making my original post I don't know what we need. Should we run the WCO? I mean, the West Coast offense is apparently out dated. When do we score on 1 play for 80 yards? I know Ryan can get it there, but his deep ball accuracy needs a ton of work. Said that for 3 years now. Also, nobody really runs the ball anymore and apparently it doesn't matter. Power backs have gone the way of the dinosaur and we need a full time Shady McCoy/ Ray Rice type running back. Is that Quizz? I doubt it. I mean, do teams even use fullbacks anymore? Not other than us. Not sure Ryan can run a spread offense full time like the elite offense teams.

[The Don™]

I just get tired of the conservatism and vanilla play after we go up. We have no killer instinct and opposing teams know that. We've let too many teams back into games because of the lack of the killer instinct.

We score 14. Yippee! Right? Wrong! You're facing the freaking high powered Packers and 14 points is nothing to them. I liked what Mularkey was throwing at them in the first half but he went back to being good ole Mularkey after that. The playcalling became predictable and vanilla and we lost because of that. The offense took their feet off the gas and we went into conservative mode. You just can't do that when you're facing the Packers. Rodgers can make any defense look bad and he WILL score points on you no matter what. So you better keep coming on offense and defense because games vs the Packers will be high scoring shootouts and more times than not, 14 points ain't gonna cut it unless you have the 2000 Ravens defense.

I'm just tired of this team lacking the "foot on the throat" mentality. Every time we go up in a game early, I don't feel good about it because I KNOW for a fact that we're going to go conservative later on offense and defense and let the opposing QB look like a star. And then BOOM, the other team is back in the game and THAT is when we go back to the winning mentality and we play to win at THAT point. Hence the many 4th quarter comebacks. We don't play to win after we go up by 14 points or so. We play not to lose. We put our foot on the gas like a senior citizen would.

If that whole mentality doesn't change, we are not going ANYWHERE. Don't even think Super Bowl with that sorry ass, loser mentality. Trust me on that. And if the blame is going to go someone, blame the coaches for the conservatism and predictability after we get a double digit lead.

[Knight of God]

(10-10-2011 12:11 AM)atljbo Wrote:  Dont think its the whole regime... The talent is here.... We need an OC that will put all of our talents to use.


We need to continue to bring talent in... But for me.. Its the coaching... Coach Smith is a good HC... We need aggressive Coordinators tho

Smith isn't aggressive so why would he get aggressive coordinators. I want them gone man, especially TD. The only guys I'd still want here are the position coaches. In fact promote them! Move the WR or RB coach to OC and our DL or LB coach to DC. Make Boudreau the HC. I'm down with that. Oh yeah! Move Les Snead to GM!!!

[bF™]

(10-10-2011 12:18 AM)Knight of God Wrote:  Smith isn't aggressive so why would he get aggressive coordinators.

because he has to. the fans are calling for it, TD is basically calling for it by trading up for julio, so smitty either has to get with the program otherwise his head could end up on the block too. hate to say it because i like smitty, but this conservative shit is getting to me. scoring 14 pts with a star studded offense is getting to me. letting teams get back in the game on us is getting to me. losing to teams we should beat ie, CHI and TB this year, is getting to me.

[Knight of God]

(10-10-2011 12:49 AM)bF™ Wrote:  because he has to. the fans are calling for it, TD is basically calling for it by trading up for julio, so smitty either has to get with the program otherwise his head could end up on the block too. hate to say it because i like smitty, but this conservative shit is getting to me. scoring 14 pts with a star studded offense is getting to me. letting teams get back in the game on us is getting to me. losing to teams we should beat ie, CHI and TB this year, is getting to me.

Sick of it all dude! I was displeased with a few of the wins last year. I felt that they were lax. Now I know it to be true.

[Catalyst]

I think Ryan can run that type of offense if given the chance. He isn't THAT bad throwing deep is he? Certainly never seems to have trouble beating our guys deep

Scheme has a lot more to do with it than a lot of folks seem to think. I know last year our passing game was awful; dead last and rightfully so. But this year we've got a new O.C. and new attitude on offense; we are aggressive, stretch the field, and throw it deep a lot. Sure, Cam Newton has a lot to do with it, but even Jimmy Clausen looked much improved during preseason.

That's just the difference between a run-of-the-mill, run-first/pass-second, 'line up and run the play' scheme and a modern NFL scheme that takes advantage of motioning WR's & TE's and purposely creates mis-matches. We never did any of that under John Fox and now that we do our offense has gone from dead last to 3rd best and a LOT of that is simply the new scheme.

I really feel like Matt Ryan is capable of running that type of offense if given the chance. White & Jones (not to mention Harry Douglas & Gonzo) give you guys a nice group of targets to spread the field with if you so choose. I can't figure out why your O.C. is so conservative with his scheme/play-calling. Reminds me a lot of what Fox ran when he was here. Vanilla and too easy for the defense to tell what you're doing pre-snap.

[Jesus]

We have all the power and skill to win in this league. The problem is Smitty needs to adjust our schemes to win. He is stubborn and needs to wake up to what is happening out there.

The defense is good enough to stop anyone long enough for the offense to up points. Unfortunately the offense is not living up to their end of that bargain. Why because Smith insists on running the ball to control the clock and such. The problem is other teams are adjusting to this.

[Knight of God]

(10-10-2011 09:40 AM)Jesus Wrote:  We have all the power and skill to win in this league. The problem is Smitty needs to adjust our schemes to win. He is stubborn and needs to wake up to what is happening out there.

The defense is good enough to stop anyone long enough for the offense to up points. Unfortunately the offense is not living up to their end of that bargain. Why because Smith insists on running the ball to control the clock and such. The problem is other teams are adjusting to this.

We ran 16 times man. Did you watch the game? We passed WAY more than we ran. We tend to win more games when we run 20+ times whether its a 100yd effort or not. I don't think you really know what you're talking about man.