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ChrisD · 10-25-2011, 11:00 AM

(10-25-2011 01:30 AM)illmusic Wrote: ...huh?

A single game statistic will always be a single game statistic...just because they use stuff like 3rd down conversion percentages and clutch plays doesn't mean it transcends time. If tebow scored a higher qbr or total qbr than Ryan in a single game, it wouldn't mean he's a better QB than Ryan. Just had a better game than Ryan, using that measuring stick. I never understood people's hatred toward this metric with the basis that so and so isn't better than so and so like Garrard wasn't a top QB in QB rating for some years. Its not the end all be all stat because there is no end all be all stat...but it is interesting.

I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying. ESPN uses the Total QBR that they have to judge how good a quarterback is doing through-out the season, when in reality, it's not a measure at performance. A quarterback can throw say, 7 touchdowns and 20 interceptions, with this system and still have the best Total QBR throughout the season of all quarterbacks. It doesn't make sense. Thats what I'm trying to say. Total QBR isn't able to measure how good or bad a quarterback is.

RnB · 10-25-2011, 11:14 AM

(10-25-2011 11:00 AM)ChrisD Wrote: I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying. ESPN uses the Total QBR that they have to judge how good a quarterback is doing through-out the season, when in reality, it's not a measure at performance. A quarterback can throw say, 7 touchdowns and 20 interceptions, with this system and still have the best Total QBR throughout the season of all quarterbacks. It doesn't make sense. Thats what I'm trying to say. Total QBR isn't able to measure how good or bad a quarterback is.

It doesn't make sense to you but it is the way their metric works. It makes perfect sense, depending on game situations, within their system.

When the passer rating model starts taking into account how the performance of both teams affect how a quarterback plays, you will see the same anomalies within that system. Unless you are willing to believe that every quarterback operates within a vacuum and nothing can affect their performance, it is hard to justify your point.

ChrisD · 10-25-2011, 11:42 AM

(10-25-2011 11:14 AM)RnB Wrote: It doesn't make sense to you but it is the way their metric works. It makes perfect sense, depending on game situations, within their system.

When the passer rating model starts taking into account how the performance of both teams affect how a quarterback plays, you will see the same anomalies within that system. Unless you are willing to believe that every quarterback operates within a vacuum and nothing can affect their performance, it is hard to justify your point.

But to say it's a more sure way to judge quarterbacks than the true QB Rating? I don't buy it. Until they include interceptions, completion percent and a few other things, the system is quite frankly flawed.

Paprika Neck · (This post was last modified: 10-25-2011 11:49 AM by Paprika Neck.)

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RnB · 10-25-2011, 12:35 PM

(10-25-2011 11:42 AM)ChrisD Wrote: But to say it's a more sure way to judge quarterbacks than the true QB Rating? I don't buy it. Until they include interceptions, completion percent and a few other things, the system is quite frankly flawed.

I do not think anyone in this thread said it is "a more sure way" to judge quarterback performance than passer rating.

While you may think it is flawed, plenty of people believe that passer rating is equally as flawed. We are comparing statistical analysis based on a complicated metric here, not physical laws.

illmusic · 10-25-2011, 01:01 PM

(10-25-2011 11:00 AM)ChrisD Wrote: I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying. ESPN uses the Total QBR that they have to judge how good a quarterback is doing through-out the season, when in reality, it's not a measure at performance. A quarterback can throw say, 7 touchdowns and 20 interceptions, with this system and still have the best Total QBR throughout the season of all quarterbacks. It doesn't make sense. Thats what I'm trying to say. Total QBR isn't able to measure how good or bad a quarterback is.

that's the thing, it is a measure at performance...and the argument is INTs that don't affect the game aren't counted. they even had the example as a hail mary prayer at the end of the game or half, or a tip drill INT. for example, the pick Ryan threw in TB when it bounced off of Roddy...that probably wasn't counted. that's fair. now whether or not YOU believe it's a good measurement is another thing. and that's fair, I really don't care for either rating. I much rather just watch a QB play and see if he played a good game or a bad game and had a good year or a bad year. but to say that Total QBR isn't able to measure how good or bad a QB is ignores the fact that you can take any stat, pick up the best performer in that stat, and make an argument that said player wasn't the best player.