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**atljbo** · (This post was last modified: 03-15-2012 04:26 PM by Radical.)

TD interview on an NFL.COM Podcast

From hearing TD... It sound like we will make a of signings... Just not in this first wave of freesagency

He also count trades as FA moves

monoxide · 03-15-2012, 12:45 PM

The Saints sign Grubbs to continue the dominant guard combination, the Bills are finalizing a deal with Mario Williams, and our best signing so far has been an inactive middle linebacker in his mid 30's and a backup offensive guard. Fucking embarrassing.

Jesus · 03-15-2012, 12:52 PM

(03-15-2012 12:45 PM)monoxide Wrote: The Saints sign Grubbs to continue the dominant guard combination, the Bills are finalizing a deal with Mario Williams, and our best signing so far has been an inactive middle linebacker in his mid 30's and a backup offensive guard. Fucking embarrassing.

Um Tatupu is 29.

monoxide · 03-15-2012, 12:56 PM

(03-15-2012 12:52 PM)Jesus Wrote: Um Tatupu is 29.

Guess I assumed he was older. Regardless, I thoroughly believe he won't be a very big factor for us. You can quote that.

RFlagg · 03-15-2012, 01:08 PM

(03-15-2012 12:45 PM)monoxide Wrote: The Saints sign Grubbs to continue the dominant guard combination, the Bills are finalizing a deal with Mario Williams, and our best signing so far has been an inactive middle linebacker in his mid 30's and a backup offensive guard. Fucking embarrassing.

First, Lofa Tatupu is not in his mid 30s, he's 29 and will be 30 on November 15th. Second, he was inactive because of a contract dispute with Seattle last season and also to get back to being 100% healthy, something he hasn't been since 2008. Don't forget, he was a 3 time probowler when healthy.

As for Manuwai, he's 31 (32 on July 12th), he was a starter for the Jags from 2003-2007. Manuwai missed most of 2008 with ACL and MCL injuries, spending most of the year on injured reserve. He was not fully healthy in 2009, and by the time he was healthy, he was replaced by Justin Smiley. When Smiley was injured, Manuwai stepped in and was a big part of the reason the Jags running game showed up in earnest in the second half, averaging 166.78 YPG vs 127.71 YPG before Manuwai took over. Manuwai was a cap casualty in 2011, and I have not found any reason at this point as to why he did not sign on with another team.

To say that these two signings are "embarrassing" is grossly inaccurate. TD knew he was not going to resign Lofton and got a more than serviceable replacement. RG was one of our biggest weak spots last season, so TD brings in a guy that was the driving force behind a great Jacksonville running attack. I think you need to get a new definition of embarrassing.

monoxide · 03-15-2012, 01:15 PM

(03-15-2012 01:08 PM)RFlagg Wrote: First, Lofa Tatupu is not in his mid 30s, he's 29 and will be 30 on November 15th. Second, he was inactive because of a contract dispute with Seattle last season and also to get back to being 100% healthy, something he hasn't been since 2008. Don't forget, he was a 3 time probowler when healthy.

As for Manuwai, he's 31 (32 on July 12th), he was a starter for the Jags from 2003-2007. Manuwai missed most of 2008 with ACL and MCL injuries, spending most of the year on injured reserve. He was not fully healthy in 2009, and by the time he was healthy, he was replaced by Justin Smiley. When Smiley was injured, Manuwai stepped in and was a big part of the reason the Jags running game showed up in earnest in the second half, averaging 166.78 YPG vs 127.71 YPG before Manuwai took over. Manuwai was a cap casualty in 2011, and I have not found any reason at this point as to why he did not sign on with another team.

To say that these two signings are "embarrassing" is grossly inaccurate. TD knew he was not going to resign Lofton and got a more than serviceable replacement. RG was one of our biggest weak spots last season, so TD brings in a guy that was the driving force behind a great Jacksonville running attack. I think you need to get a new definition of embarrassing.

It's not embarrassing, it's fucking embarrassing. To me there's a difference, the adjective adds a nice spice to the embarrassment that has been this offseason.

-I already admitted I was wrong about Tatupu's age. While irrelevant to his 1 year hiatus and half-lackluster potential that he brings to this team, I will apologize for that. Citing the past Pro Bowls for Tatupu's current productivity pretty much ends this argument.

-The first half of your post on Manuwai proves my point. He's in his 30's, has previous injuries, very inconsistent and lowly rated when he was on the field, and a cap casualty by the Jacksonville Jaguars of all people who have been known for terrible O-line play in the past. Citing MJD's numbers for one specific offensive lineman is unfair in my opinion. Sam Baker blocked for Turner when he ran for 1700 yards and 17 TD's, but I wouldn't use that as an argument for keeping his bum ass around. Manuwai may be a decent run blocker but is a bottom tier pass blocker. He won't start and in my opinion will be a camp body, nothing more nothing less.

illmusic · 03-15-2012, 02:33 PM

sometimes the ability to keep your own pieces and add in depth options is the best choice for a team. I think keeping Grimes, getting HD back, and maybe a left tackle upgrade will improve us for next year when taking into account our coordinator change

Jesus · 03-15-2012, 02:38 PM

Over the last four years the team has gone
11-5
9-7
13-3
10-6
0-3 in the playoffs

There are plenty of quality pieces on this team. Just a year ago we we won home field advantage in the NFC. The problems were not personnel but instead scheme. For the first time in four years that was addressed with the hiring of a new DC/OC. Be patient. You don't see the Steelers, Patriots, Packers or Saints tearing it all down in the offseason and throwing tons of cash at free agents. The teams that do are desperate, see Buffalo and TB.

monoxide · 03-15-2012, 02:40 PM

(03-15-2012 02:33 PM)illmusic Wrote: sometimes the ability to keep your own pieces and add in depth options is the best choice for a team. I think keeping Grimes, getting HD back, and maybe a left tackle upgrade will improve us for next year when taking into account our coordinator change

It's obvious that we must improve from last year in order to halfway compete this year. From the looks of it, it's very possible that we will lose either Lofton or Abraham. With no free agent signings so far, that's clearly a downgrade. I understand where Mike Nolan comes in, but he can't do it on his own. You can also make the argument about the draft coming up, but it's obvious that without a pick in the top 50, it will clearly help other teams more than us. With this said, there is absolutely no reason to think that we will improve next year. Once again, I can't stress enough that I am not a chicken little pessimist that always looks at the negatives, but unfortunately I haven't seen anything that will drive us deep into the playoffs. When that happens, I will recant immediately. The only thing I want is to see this team succeed, nothing else.

monoxide · 03-15-2012, 02:43 PM

(03-15-2012 02:38 PM)Jesus Wrote: Over the last four years the team has gone
11-5
9-7
13-3
10-6
0-3 in the playoffs

There are plenty of quality pieces on this team. Just a year ago we we won home field advantage in the NFC. The problems were not personnel but instead scheme. For the first time in four years that was addressed with the hiring of a new DC/OC. Be patient. You don't see the Steelers, Patriots, Packers or Saints tearing it all down in the offseason and throwing tons of cash at free agents. The teams that do are desperate, see Buffalo and TB.

Every team you mentioned has either been in or won a Super Bowl in the past 5 years (the Patriots being the exception of not winning one), we haven't won a playoff game.