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(01-28-2013 02:55 PM)Swift Is a Die Hard Wrote:  Margus Hunt was dominated by Luke what are you talking about Beef .His sack didnt even come against Luke in that game . LOLz . He also had a horrible senior bowl as well


NFL | Margus Hunt disappoints


From: Footballguys.com News Blogger - 1:53pm - January 25, 2013
Southern Methodist DE Margus Hunt was a big disappointment at the Senior Bowl this week and was a non-factor most of the time, although he displayed traits of a power defensive end with natural explosion. Hunt appeared robotic on the field and struggled to shed blockers while playing upright. It will be questionable if he can make it into the first round of the draft.

Look, to act like this kid is a bust already is asinine. As usual, you're whoring for attention and being contradictory hoping to get it.

We're talking about college prospects. I'm not saying this kid is the best prospect in football. I'm explaining his overwhelmingly freakish athleticism and commenting on the potential this type of athleticism can and sometimes does bring.

The kid is super raw. He only just started playing this game for the very first time 4 years ago. He's got shitty technique and stands up too high. But that shit can be coached out of him by professionals. Not every player in college comes into the NFL polished and playing like a probowler instantly. They do learn and get better. Sometimes they become great.

The kid has 17 blocked kicks in 3 years of college (10 FG's, 7 pat's) for crap sakes. That's ridiculous in itself. At 6'8 280, he runs a 4.6-4.7 40 with a 38" vert jump and 82" wingspan. He can also bench 225 36 times.

To deny the potential this kid has simply based on those freakish as fuck athletic stats is moronic.

JJ Watt only had 11.5 sacks coming out of college. But he's 6'6 290 and runs a 4.8 40 with a 37" vert jump and 34 reps of 225 on bench. He played at freaking Wisconsin and now he's the best defensive player in football. Demarcus Ware came out of Troy for goodness sakes. Jason Pierre-Paul didn't start playing football until he was 18 year old senior in high school and then was drafted out of South Florida. A lot of college kids get picked based on potential as a result of their athleticism.

And nobody knew these guys would be as incredible as they have been. The one common thing among them though was off the chart athleticism. They were drafted more on potential than anything.

[Swift Is a Die Hard]

(01-28-2013 04:18 PM)Beef Wrote:  Look, to act like this kid is a bust already is asinine. As usual, you're whoring for attention and being contradictory hoping to get it.

We're talking about college prospects. I'm not saying this kid is the best prospect in football. I'm explaining his overwhelmingly freakish athleticism and commenting on the potential this type of athleticism can and sometimes does bring.

The kid is super raw. He only just started playing this game for the very first time 4 years ago. He's got shitty technique and stands up too high. But that shit can be coached out of him by professionals. Not every player in college comes into the NFL polished and playing like a probowler instantly. They do learn and get better. Sometimes they become great.

The kid has 17 blocked kicks in 3 years of college (10 FG's, 7 pat's) for crap sakes. That's ridiculous in itself. At 6'8 280, he runs a 4.6-4.7 40 with a 38" vert jump and 82" wingspan. He can also bench 225 36 times.

To deny the potential this kid has simply based on those freakish as fuck athletic stats is moronic.

JJ Watt only had 11.5 sacks coming out of college. But he's 6'6 290 and runs a 4.8 40 with a 37" vert jump and 34 reps of 225 on bench. He played at freaking Wisconsin and now he's the best defensive player in football. Demarcus Ware came out of Troy for goodness sakes. Jason Pierre-Paul didn't start playing football until he was 18 year old senior in high school and then was drafted out of South Florida. A lot of college kids get picked based on potential as a result of their athleticism.

And nobody knew these guys would be as incredible as they have been. The one common thing among them though was off the chart athleticism. They were drafted more on potential than anything.

First I never said the kid was going to be a BUST . Kid is raw like you even stated so to spend a first round or 2nd round draft pick on a extremely raw prospect for a unit that has not developed any pass rusher over the past 5 years .
This kid is going to need time to develop and by then he will be 28/29 if he ever comes into his own. Our first round and 2nd round picks this year HAVE TO START ..Limited cap space and with some dire needs at some holes. RG if we switched Konz to C. We need a DE . We need a STARTING DT . We are going to need a TE . We are going to need a starting RB . So you want to spend a 2nd round draft pick on a extremely raw prospect .


2nd like you stated which was FALSE Margus Hunt didnt get a sack vs the top rated prospect OT he got it from other Texas AM Tackle Jake Matthews and the inside Guard on a stunt .

Here is a youtube of Margus Hunt getting man handled by Texas A& M in 2011







Now before you claim this youtube Video is gospel . That is far from truth Im using video as example how he was man handled by top tier offensive line men and not once in this video did I see a positive play from him .

[Beef]

(01-28-2013 02:55 PM)Swift Is a Die Hard Wrote:  Margus Hunt was dominated by Luke what are you talking about Beef .His sack didnt even come against Luke in that game . LOLz .

On a side note... Where did you see who he got that sack against vs. Texas A&M? How do you know it wasn't Joeckel?

Because even if it wasn't Joeckel, the other OT is first team all-SEC tackle, Jake Matthews (cousin of Casey Matthews). And he's projected as a top-10 pick in next year's draft.

As I said, the guy got sacks vs the only decent teams that SMU even plays. So making a blanket statement that he was "manhandled vs. top tier talent" is you talking out your ass.

The senior bowl is a terrible measure of a ridiculously small sample size.

And showing a video of 2011 doesn't help your case. He played better in 2012.

[Beef]

(01-28-2013 05:07 PM)Swift Is a Die Hard Wrote:  First I never said the kid was going to be a BUST . Kid is raw like you even stated so to spend a first round or 2nd round draft pick on a extremely raw prospect for a unit that has not developed any pass rusher over the past 5 years .
This kid is going to need time to develop and by then he will be 28/29 if he ever comes into his own. Our first round and 2nd round picks this year HAVE TO START ..Limited cap space and with some dire needs at some holes. RG if we switched Konz to C. We need a DE . We need a STARTING DT . We are going to need a TE . We are going to need a starting RB . So you want to spend a 2nd round draft pick on a extremely raw prospect .

2nd like you stated which was FALSE Margus Hunt didnt get a sack vs the top rated prospect OT he got it from other Texas AM Tackle Jake Matthews and the inside Guard on a stunt .

Again, JJ Watt had a whopping 11.5 sacks coming out of college and 5.5 sacks his rookie year. Then in only his second year he has 20.5 sacks and nearly twice as many tackles and twice as many passes defended.

Jason Pierre-Paul had 4 sacks his rookie year and 16.5 his second.

It doesn't always take 3-4 years for players to develop. You gotta quit making these asinine definitive statements. Your "opinions" are almost always wrong. Have you not figured that out yet?

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(01-28-2013 01:32 PM)Swift Is a Die Hard Wrote:  Margus Hunt was man handled vs top tier competion . I swear people read some mocks and become infuated with players cause of measurables lol Dude is also going to be 26/27 years old

Correct me, if I am wrong, but I believe Hunt is an older prospect. You have to be careful judging a prospect, on the basis of physical abilities. There is a big difference between a 21 year old guy and a 24 year old guy. Those three years represent the maturation of the muscular structure of a player. In other words, we could be looking at Hunt's peak physical status.

Having said that, Hunt remains a viable option. He would have to be our first pick, becasue he will not drop to the #60 pick.

[Swift Is a Die Hard]

(01-28-2013 05:33 PM)Beef Wrote:  Again, JJ Watt had a whopping 11.5 sacks coming out of college and 5.5 sacks his rookie year. Then in only his second year he has 20.5 sacks and nearly twice as many tackles and twice as many passes defended.

Jason Pierre-Paul had 4 sacks his rookie year and 16.5 his second.

It doesn't always take 3-4 years for players to develop. You gotta quit making these asinine definitive statements. Your "opinions" are almost always wrong. Have you not figured that out yet?

JJ Watt was the 11th pick in the NFL draft . He was not a project . He was a top rated prospect that played for a legit DIV 1 school vs legit competition . I have no clue why you are comparing the two . I guess cause most mock sites are ? JJ watt was also behind the likes of Mario Williams on the depth chart until Williams got hurt .

[Swift Is a Die Hard]

(01-28-2013 05:42 PM)ggp Wrote:  Correct me, if I am wrong, but I believe Hunt is an older prospect. You have to be careful judging a prospect, on the basis of physical abilities. There is a big difference between a 21 year old guy and a 24 year old guy. Those three years represent the maturation of the muscular structure of a player. In other words, we could be looking at Hunt's peak physical status.

Having said that, Hunt remains a viable option. He would have to be our first pick, becasue he will not drop to the #60 pick.

He will be 26 years old entering camp . He is a projected 2nd round pick and moving up to measurable. He is also going to kill the combine and team will drool over him and pick him and my opinion will never amount to much. Do you remember last year all the HYPE Dontari Poe was getting lol

[Beef]

(01-28-2013 05:48 PM)Swift Is a Die Hard Wrote:  JJ Watt was the 11th pick in the NFL draft . He was not a project . He was a top rated prospect that played for a legit DIV 1 school vs legit competition . I have no clue why you are comparing the two . I guess cause most mock sites are ? JJ watt was also behind the likes of Mario Williams on the depth chart until Williams got hurt .

Watt was only drafted in 2011. He's played 2 seasons and all 16 games in both seasons. Again, only 11.5 sacks and 49 total tackles in college. But he blew up the combine and flew up the ratings. He was drafted on pure potential, because his college stats weren't anything special. I mean 7 sacks his senior year doesn't really fly off the page.

Pierre-Paul was a project and a half drafted in 2010 out of South Florida. Also a whopping 45 tackles and 6.5 sacks in D-1 school. But he absolutely blew up the combine and went from being thought of as a late second round flyer to the #15 pick. And then 16.5 sacks in his second season in the league. And he too was drafted on pure potential.

[Swift Is a Die Hard]

(01-28-2013 06:14 PM)Beef Wrote:  Watt was only drafted in 2011. He's played 2 seasons and all 16 games in both seasons. Again, only 11.5 sacks and 49 total tackles in college. But he blew up the combine and flew up the ratings. He was drafted on pure potential, because his college stats weren't anything special. I mean 7 sacks his senior year doesn't really fly off the page.

Pierre-Paul was a project and a half drafted in 2010 out of South Florida. Also a whopping 45 tackles and 6.5 sacks in D-1 school. But he absolutely blew up the combine and went from being thought of as a late second round flyer to the #15 pick. And then 16.5 sacks in his second season in the league. And he too was drafted on pure potential.

Pierre Paul was a project cause of the small size he came from with that said he was a pro football weekly all American college prospect . He also has benefited from the other players on the Giants defensive line. Did you see JPP stats this season when he became the main target of double teams . Not taking anything away from Pierre Paul he has ton of talent but he is still very raw and now is going to learn how to take his game to next level and finish off sacks when getting double teamed

Some NFL executive said JPP is the BEST DEFENSIVE END in the draft in 2010

Evaluators in attendance at Jason Pierre-Paul's workout at South Florida expressed excitement about the raw talent, citing his foot quickness, athletic ability and balance.

"He's the best defensive end in the draft," said one highly placed evaluator in position to strike.

The long-limbed Pierre-Paul was commended for being the first player in line for drills, picking up on instructions and working well through the bags during drills. Evaluators were generally excited about his workout.

PFW polled nearly a third of the league to get a pulse on where Pierre-Paul can be expected to be drafted, and the overwhelming sentiment was that he would fit into the top 15, with seven teams expecting Pierre-Paul to be drafted very early.




Again only word associated with Margus Hunt is PROJECT /raw /freakish talent.
So to waste a 2nd round pick on a extremely raw project that will be 26 years old is mind boggling. If Margus Hunt was a 4th or 5th round prospect ..he is well worth the shot.. a 2nd round pick for a TEAM that is in DIRE need of a pass rush
if Hunt turns out to be a bust and you had such high hopes for him with a 2nd round pick it will hurt this franchise. It will hurt them similar to how Jerry has hurt the Falcons when they thought he would bring a interior pass rush . Not saying Margus will turn out a bust like Jerry or get hurt but its not a risk TD needs to take with a 2nd round pick

[Beef]

You're making my case with all the Pierre-Paul being talked up by everyone AFTER they see his workouts. It's just amazing how daft you can be.

Don't try to suggest that just the whopping 45 tackles and 6.5 sacks rocketted him up to the #15 prospect. Dude, he was drafted on POTENTIAL, and only AFTER they saw his workouts (of which he showed he was a freakish athlete).

This is Bruce Feldman on Margus Hunt:
"For nearly 10 years, Bruce Feldman, a writer for CBSSports.com, has annually compiled what he calls a "Freak List" of the 10 college football players he considers the most freakish athletes. In 2012, Hunt was on top of his list. According to Feldman, Hunt "sounds like a PlayStation football creation"—despite his 82-inch (2.1 m) wingspan, he is able to bench press 225 pounds (102 kg) 35 times, and has also cleaned 384 pounds (174 kg) and snatched 345 pounds (156 kg). Hunt also boasts a 36-inch (91 cm) vertical jump. Feldman predicts that Hunt will have 45 repetitions and a 4.6-second 40-yard dash at the 2013 NFL combine."