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Xanthri · 02-05-2013, 05:15 PM

DION JORDAN WILL BE GONE LONG BEFORE 30!

ChrisD · 02-05-2013, 05:44 PM

I think everyone knows we need to find a pass rusher in this years draft. I also believe everyone here remembers what TD did to get a guy he really wanted. I think that if TD likes a guy like Jarvis Jones, we shouldn't be surprised by anything he does.

I mean, there is always the possibility we do another Julio Jones type trade this year to get the guy we want and need. I'm not saying it will happen, but its definitely a possibility.

Beef · 02-05-2013, 06:22 PM

(02-05-2013 05:44 PM)ChrisD Wrote: I think everyone knows we need to find a pass rusher in this years draft. I also believe everyone here remembers what TD did to get a guy he really wanted. I think that if TD likes a guy like Jarvis Jones, we shouldn't be surprised by anything he does.

I mean, there is always the possibility we do another Julio Jones type trade this year to get the guy we want and need. I'm not saying it will happen, but its definitely a possibility.

I don't know about that. There's a big difference between going up to get a defensive guy vs. and offensive guy. Defensive players have a bust factor about 10x that of offensive, especially WR's.

Like you could look at Julio and AJ Green and know without a shadow of a doubt that they would be very good with huge potential to be great.

The ONLY defensive player I can think of in the past 10 years that I would say the same thing about is Von Miller. Jarvis Jones will most likely be pretty good and may actually end up being great, but there's no way you can say that with anywhere near the certainty of Julio.

We might be able to say it about Clowney next year, but that's about it.

Beef · 02-05-2013, 06:41 PM

(02-05-2013 02:53 PM)FullMetalFalcon23 Wrote: I would like to see a Draft where we pick up

Okafor/Montgomery in the 1st
Williams in the 2nd
Kelce/ Christine Michael in the 3/4th

I really would like to add those specific players to our team. I think the pass rush improves by adding those two players and yes I believe through the distribution of the ball we wouldn't feel the drop off of losing Tony so much. A twin tight end set of Kelce and Coffman would be real nice both provide the same thing to the offense but present different challenges to the defense

If our first 3 rounds ended with DE Alex Okafor, DT Jesse Williams, and TE Travis Kelce, I don't know how happy I'd be that we skipped out on a top tier RB and reached too high on Kelce who should actually still be there in the 4th or maybe even if we get a 3rd round comp.

Although, I do think Jesse Williams is a bit over-rated. 37 tackles, only 7 solo, only 2.5 TFL's, and only 1 sack in 13 games is pretty weak.

Kawann Short out of Purdue had 43 tackles, 35 solo, 15.5 TFL's, and 7 sacks. I know he played in a shit conference compared to Williams in the SEC, but the guy still showed he knows how to penetrate AND tackle either way you slice it. He SHOULD be there at the 60th's pick in late 2nd round too.

Now if we got a 3rd round comp pick and did this, I'd be happy:
1. DE Okafor
2. DT Short
3a. RB Kenjon Barner
3b. TE Kelce

ChrisD · 02-05-2013, 06:43 PM

Fair enough, and I actually agree with that. My main point though is that I truly believe that we can't expect anything to happen because TD has already shown us he will make moves to get his guy.

FullMetalFalcon23 · 02-05-2013, 06:55 PM

(02-05-2013 06:41 PM)Beef Wrote: If our first 3 rounds ended with DE Alex Okafor, DT Jesse Williams, and TE Travis Kelce, I don't know how happy I'd be that we skipped out on a top tier RB and reached too high on Kelce who should actually still be there in the 4th or maybe even if we get a 3rd round comp.

Although, I do think Jesse Williams is a bit over-rated. 37 tackles, only 7 solo, only 2.5 TFL's, and only 1 sack in 13 games is pretty weak.

Kawann Short out of Purdue had 43 tackles, 35 solo, 15.5 TFL's, and 7 sacks. I know he played in a shit conference compared to Williams in the SEC, but the guy still showed he knows how to penetrate AND tackle either way you slice it. He SHOULD be there at the 60th's pick in late 2nd round too.

Now if we got a 3rd round comp pick and did this, I'd be happy:
1. DE Okafor
2. DT Short
3a. RB Kenjon Barner
3b. TE Kelce

I actually meant Brandon Williams. The big tackle out of SMSU.

When I put 3/4 I meant a combination of either or those spots being interchangeable. I actually would prefer Christine over Kenjon. He is a tougher runner without being huge and sacrificing speed burst and agility. I think I also like Bell. We real need an all around back who can be a spark plug in our offense. He doesn't need to carry it. Just be dangerous in it. To do that he has to be a back you can field on all downs. I'm not sure Barner is that back. For me guys like Christine and Bernard fit that bill more. Problem is we have to go DEnd. If we traded back and picked up a high 2nd and say a 4th rounder I'd probably be happier with the players I suggested as there would be an extra pick letting us go

DE RB in 2a and 2b
3 DE/DT

Then we would still have 3 more picks.
A comp pick in 3rd or 4th for Lofton
4th rounder as allocated
4th rounder from trading back.

Right there that could be a TE a Linebacker and a pick at corner or safety.

If Bernard is there at 30 do you take him?

Jesus · 02-05-2013, 07:41 PM

The last time we drafted a converted TE to DE it didn't work out so well. I think we if JA98 had worked out and lived up to his potential we would have a ring by now.

Beef · 02-05-2013, 09:05 PM

(02-05-2013 06:55 PM)FullMetalFalcon23 Wrote: I actually meant Brandon Williams. The big tackle out of SMSU.

When I put 3/4 I meant a combination of either or those spots being interchangeable. I actually would prefer Christine over Kenjon. He is a tougher runner without being huge and sacrificing speed burst and agility. I think I also like Bell. We real need an all around back who can be a spark plug in our offense. He doesn't need to carry it. Just be dangerous in it. To do that he has to be a back you can field on all downs. I'm not sure Barner is that back. For me guys like Christine and Bernard fit that bill more. Problem is we have to go DEnd. If we traded back and picked up a high 2nd and say a 4th rounder I'd probably be happier with the players I suggested as there would be an extra pick letting us go

DE RB in 2a and 2b
3 DE/DT

Then we would still have 3 more picks.
A comp pick in 3rd or 4th for Lofton
4th rounder as allocated
4th rounder from trading back.

Right there that could be a TE a Linebacker and a pick at corner or safety.

If Bernard is there at 30 do you take him?

To the last question, YES, abso-fuckin-lutely, if Bernard is by some miracle still there at 30, we take him.

If I had a "Big-Board" that listed the prospects that realistically could still be there at 30, Bernard would be at the very top of it. I mean obviously we couldn't put guys like Jarvis Jones, Demontre Moore, Johnathan Hankins, Sheldon Richardson, Alec Ogletree, or Kevin Minter there. All those guys are targets we would love to have, but being realistic, there's no chance they will be there at 30.

Bernard is very possibly a top 20 pick if some other team reaches a bit for him, but the cool thing is, the top 20-25 teams picking in front of us either A) have much higher priorities of need than RB, or B) aren't going to pass up on the crazy number of potential elite defensive players available, or C) hopefully won't "reach" for Bernard in the first round when this draft is loaded with good RB's who will still be there in rounds 2 and 3 for them.

Bernard is ranked between 26 and 36 on the 4 or 5 different Big-Boards I usually check. He's perfect for us in every way shape and form. Him and Quizz in our backfield would be a dream IMO.

As to the rest of your post, I actually agree that trading back for additional picks would be great for us, but I'm still afraid that by doing that we're taking a bigger risk of getting mediocre talent. And we're already stacked with mediocre talent.

It's time to get elite talent again, but on the defensive side, IMO.

Either pull a Julio and move up for the likes of Moore, Hankins, or Richardson, or go for a Bernard or Okafor/Montgomery, and pray we score gems in the 2nd and 3rd at DT and RB/DE depending on what we take at 30.

And to be honest, I don't think TE is near the priority most people think it is. I believe Smitty and Koetter believe we can supplement TG with a better running game and Coffman/Palmer/3rd or 4th round rookie (like Escobar/Fauria/Toilolo/Kelce).

ATLBound · 02-05-2013, 09:16 PM

Me too. I never thought that we would draft a TE high to replace Tony.

Beef · 02-05-2013, 09:34 PM

(02-05-2013 09:16 PM)ATLBound Wrote: Me too. I never thought that we would draft a TE high to replace Tony.

It's funny listening to Archer on the radio, every time anyone mentioned us drafting a TE in the first he goes off about how retarded a thought that is. Mike Bell is reading through mock draft sites and any time he reads one that has us taking a TE in the first, Archers says ignore the entire mock because the guy is an obvious idiot.

He says the same thing I do... Bernard or Lacy if still there, or Montgomery or Okafor and then he likes Kawann Short in the 2nd.

My only problem with that Brandon Williams guy out of Missouri Southern is it's the freakin MIAA. I mean I like the guy's stats, 68 tackles, 31 solo, 16.5 TFL's, 8.5 sacks, 2 pass breakups, 8 QB hurries, and 5 FF's, but he's 6'2 340 lbs in Division II. He's 100 lbs heavier than most OL's he goes up against. Of course he's going to put up big numbers. So I just don't know if that translates to the NFL.