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RnB · (This post was last modified: 10-04-2011 11:03 AM by RnB.)

(10-04-2011 10:53 AM)Paulitik Wrote: We ran Turner 11 times on 7 posessions and 25 snaps, with one toss to Rodgers, which means we went to the run almost half the time. The only play Turner rushed successfully was on a holding call by Reggie Kelly. We ran him into a swarm of defenders. The Seahawks knew we'd run it up the middle, and dropped 8-9 in the box because they saw what was coming. There is only so much you can block when there are that many defenders keying in on the run.

At what point where our team keeps making the same mistakes over and over again does it fall on the coaching staff?

I'm not going to deny we have issues at OL, and on Defense, but so does every team. We have as much talent as any team in the NFL. When is blaming the talent going to stop being an excuse? Why is it when we are effective at execution in the first half, but not in the second does that fall exclusively on the players?

Agenda pushers? You defend Phalcon Phil and Swift when they hijack threads having nothing to do with QB play, going off on diatribes about Matt Ryan, yet when some of us complain about the playcalling, which is far easier to fix than replacing players midseason, we have an agenda. It's absurd.

It's not black and white, we have weaknesses on the OL and on the Defense, but the coaches share as much or more of the blame for that because they are not adjusting the scheme to address those deficiencies to their best.

3 1/4 years of the same issues of lack of pass rush, huge holes in zone coverage, and a stalling offense when the run game is stopped, at some point the scheme needs to be looked at. It's not some crazy notion that people may be starting to question the scheme or the playcalling.

Swift might be a troll but he makes very salient points at times and has been around Falcons boards for a very, very long time.

I feel the same way as Cooper regarding "agenda pushers". In my post to Chaz, I pretty much outlined what I think about negative posts on message boards. That goes for anyone, on any board, regarding any topic. Its difficult at times to simply NOT post emotional opinions behind the mask of anonymity that a board provides. I try my best not to make myself look like an asshole; anonymous or not.

Negativity breeds further negativity and that is not something that I enjoy, as a person.

EDIT: The answer to your question, in my opinion, is when we start becoming a team that is not competitive within our division. At that point the FO and Coaching staff, perhaps both, will be under heavy pressure to get things fixed or get fired. Until then, we have a good core of Coaches that work very hard to put a winning team on the field each week. They have proven success over the past few years and deserve a little leeway when it comes to the direction the team is headed.

Paulitik · (This post was last modified: 10-04-2011 12:16 PM by Paulitik.)

(10-04-2011 10:59 AM)RnB Wrote: Swift might be a troll but he makes very salient points at times and has been around Falcons boards for a very, very long time.

I feel the same way as Cooper regarding "agenda pushers". In my post to Chaz, I pretty much outlined what I think about negative posts on message boards. That goes for anyone, on any board, regarding any topic. Its difficult at times to simply NOT post emotional opinions behind the mask of anonymity that a board provides. I try my best not to make myself look like an asshole; anonymous or not.

Negativity breeds further negativity and that is not something that I enjoy, as a person.

EDIT: The answer to your question, in my opinion, is when we start becoming a team that is not competitive within our division. At that point the FO and Coaching staff, perhaps both, will be under heavy pressure to get things fixed or get fired. Until then, we have a good core of Coaches that work very hard to put a winning team on the field each week. They have proven success over the past few years and deserve a little leeway when it comes to the direction the team is headed.

I don't care if Swift is a football genius, his critiques of Ryan and TD aren't based in reality and undermine any credibitly he has else where. Maybe if he wasn't so obsessive about them and turn every point he makes back to those 2 parts of our team, i'd pay attention to the other things he says. Bad people can be right sometimes.

I agree that the coaching staff does deserve some leeway, and that's why I'm not calling for heads yet.We have been succssful up until now with this staff, although, I don't think Mularkey will be with the team next season, whether we win or lose out the rest of the year. I just want to see more adjustments. I don't see us improving, and considering we can't do much with the roster 4 games into the season, schematic changes are our only choice. Sorry this point in the season, the coordinators get most of the blame. Go to any NFL board and that's the case.

Nuccah · 10-04-2011, 12:30 PM

(10-03-2011 02:45 PM)cooperbh Wrote: All of these armchair OCs blathering on about "predictable" and "bland" playcalling are hilarious. They act as if we are the only team in the NFL who run the ball on first down - an unspeakable sin, in their view. Guess what, people? The majority of teams in the NFL run on first down. Why? It's an ideal situation to run the football.

There is a difference between running the ball on first down and running it when you are outnumbered BY 2 DEFENDERS in the box!

The moment you see that, you are obliged to audible the play. Whether to a pass or a run, it doesn't matter, but you NEED to do something to get those 2 additional defenders out of the box.

Ryan audibled all the first half and two series of the second half. He didn't do it on any other drive of the 2nd half. There is only one reason you stop doing something you routinely do - either it doesn't work, or you are told not to.

Goal Line D · (This post was last modified: 10-04-2011 01:07 PM by Goal Line D.)

Until we consistently start putting together 4 quarters of quality football I'll bitch and complain all I want.

cooperbh · 10-04-2011, 01:14 PM

(10-03-2011 11:05 PM)Beef Wrote: And quit saying that "everyone" here is calling for Mularkey's head. You're the one who sounds like Swift with your bloated generalizations (everyone? no)

I'll quit saying everyone here is calling for Mularkey's head just as soon as I start saying it. Or maybe you can just quote the post where I said everyone here is calling for Mularkey's head? No?

Moving on...

(10-03-2011 11:05 PM)Beef Wrote: Every media outlet from radio to TV to news print is saying the same thing. And it's not because they're being Mularkey haters and want him fired. It's because they watched the freaking game and actually saw a horribly called play scheme in the second half.

Bleacher Report and other such ametuer blogging sites are not media outlets. Callers on a sports radio talk show are not media outlets.

I would think that if "every media outlet" did in fact see "a horribly called play scheme in the second half" and publicly commented on it, then you should have no problem finding and posting a link to one of these criticisms, right? Just one. I'd love to read such a take.

RnB · 10-04-2011, 01:20 PM

(10-04-2011 12:09 PM)Paulitik Wrote: I don't care if Swift is a football genius, his critiques of Ryan and TD aren't based in reality and undermine any credibitly he has else where. Maybe if he wasn't so obsessive about them and turn every point he makes back to those 2 parts of our team, i'd pay attention to the other things he says. Bad people can be right sometimes.

I agree that the coaching staff does deserve some leeway, and that's why I'm not calling for heads yet.We have been succssful up until now with this staff, although, I don't think Mularkey will be with the team next season, whether we win or lose out the rest of the year. I just want to see more adjustments. I don't see us improving, and considering we can't do much with the roster 4 games into the season, schematic changes are our only choice. Sorry this point in the season, the coordinators get most of the blame. Go to any NFL board and that's the case.

Paul, I know where youre coming from but I, obviously, do not care what other message boards are saying. I care what I think and do not mind having rational discussion with like-minded fans.

When people start acting like douchebags about it, thats when I either stop dealing with them or move on to a different forum. In fact, that is one of the key reasons I followed Peyton when the AD hooplah happened on the official AF boards.

cooperbh · 10-04-2011, 01:27 PM

(10-04-2011 04:33 AM)DemBirds Wrote: 9+? Really? So at some point only one corner was covering a WR? Really? There was never 9 in the box.

You didn't see? The Seahawks were in their goal line defense the entire second half. And yet we just ran it up the middle over and over and over again.

Either that, or we threw it 22 times. I really don't remember. All I know is that Mularkey has to go.

Paulitik · 10-04-2011, 01:46 PM

(10-04-2011 01:20 PM)RnB Wrote: Paul, I know where youre coming from but I, obviously, do not care what other message boards are saying. I care what I think and do not mind having rational discussion with like-minded fans.

When people start acting like douchebags about it, thats when I either stop dealing with them or move on to a different forum. In fact, that is one of the key reasons I followed Peyton when the AD hooplah happened on the official AF boards.

It seems to me though, that you and Rad simply want to blame the talent for not executing, and absolve the Coordinators. Where as the Mularkey and BVG "haters" blame both. I think it's natural to blame the coordinators because like I said it's easier for them to adjust than it is for us to make significant roster changes midseason.

Although the level of hyperbole is higher with the crowd that hates our playcalling, I don't think anyone would dispute that we have weaknesses with the OL, namely Baker and Reynolds, and the DL and Secondary are underperforming, especially the high priced FAs in Robinson and Edwards. I don't believe that Rad or yourself give nearly enough blame on the coaching.

The fact after 3 1/4 years, we still suck after the half and let lesser teams in the game. Winning is great, but it's grating on us that the issues that have plagued us for over a decade in pass rush, and coverage are not getting fixed. We feel like we have talent, but they are being forced to fit the coaches philosphies, as opposed to being used to the best of their ability to help us win. This frustration is what's causing all this hostility. It's easier to blow a gasket over the team as whole than just the play of a player or two. The other issue is that if these players aren't executing, then why are the coaches not putting their back ups in, or adjusting the roster to address these issues? The coaching staff needs the majority of the blame, and I don't think that's unreasonable.

cooperbh · 10-04-2011, 01:53 PM

(10-04-2011 12:30 PM)Nuccah Wrote: There is a difference between running the ball on first down and running it when you are outnumbered BY 2 DEFENDERS in the box!

The moment you see that, you are obliged to audible the play. Whether to a pass or a run, it doesn't matter, but you NEED to do something to get those 2 additional defenders out of the box.

Ryan audibled all the first half and two series of the second half. He didn't do it on any other drive of the 2nd half. There is only one reason you stop doing something you routinely do - either it doesn't work, or you are told not to.

"Hey, Matty - It's Mike. You gotta stop it with the audlibles, man. Forget the pre-snap reads and just run it up the middle like I called, dammit."

"But, coach, they're bringing nine in th-"

"Don't think - just do it!"

"Yes sir, I'm sorry. I was just trying to win"

"It's not about winning, it's about keeping the play calling consistent and doing what I say. Don't ever forget that."

"I... I don't know what came over me that entire first half and the first two series of the second half. Won't happen again, coach."

"That's my boy."

Statick · 10-04-2011, 02:35 PM

(10-04-2011 01:46 PM)Paulitik Wrote: It seems to me though, that you and Rad simply want to blame the talent for not executing, and absolve the Coordinators. Where as the Mularkey and BVG "haters" blame both. I think it's natural to blame the coordinators because like I said it's easier for them to adjust than it is for us to make significant roster changes midseason.

Although the level of hyperbole is higher with the crowd that hates our playcalling, I don't think anyone would dispute that we have weaknesses with the OL, namely Baker and Reynolds, and the DL and Secondary are underperforming, especially the high priced FAs in Robinson and Edwards. I don't believe that Rad or yourself give nearly enough blame on the coaching.

The fact after 3 1/4 years, we still suck after the half and let lesser teams in the game. Winning is great, but it's grating on us that the issues that have plagued us for over a decade in pass rush, and coverage are not getting fixed. We feel like we have talent, but they are being forced to fit the coaches philosphies, as opposed to being used to the best of their ability to help us win. This frustration is what's causing all this hostility. It's easier to blow a gasket over the team as whole than just the play of a player or two. The other issue is that if these players aren't executing, then why are the coaches not putting their back ups in, or adjusting the roster to address these issues? The coaching staff needs the majority of the blame, and I don't think that's unreasonable.

Another +1 response. Thank you.