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**Radical** · 10-03-2011, 03:24 PM

(10-03-2011 03:19 PM)raysnill1 Wrote: LOL, the Ravens consistently executed to punt every possession in the second half except the final where they kneeled down 3 plays AND the defense scored in the second half. now if you're applauding them running the clock, carry on

The point is that they lined up in an obvious run formation, run the ball over and over again, and it didn't end with a 3 and out after runs of 0 and/or -2 yards.

6 yards, 3 yards, 7 yards, 5 yards, 5 yards, 6 yards, 9 yards, and 6 yards to start off that series.

We don't see this because our line won't allow this. We get 0 yards, 2 yards, -2 yards, 1 yards, 3 yards, -2 yards, 0 yards, 1 yard, and then one big run.

Our offensive line is killing us.

Paulitik · 10-03-2011, 03:26 PM

(10-03-2011 02:45 PM)cooperbh Wrote: All of these armchair OCs blathering on about "predictable" and "bland" playcalling are hilarious. They act as if we are the only team in the NFL who run the ball on first down - an unspeakable sin, in their view. Guess what, people? The majority of teams in the NFL run on first down. Why? It's an ideal situation to run the football.

The most laughable thing is that the Falcons ran the ball 11 times on first down in the first half and Mularkey is called "brilliant" for it. Then the Falcons turn around and call only 8 first down run plays in the second half and the usual suspects are once again calling for Mularkey's head.

Did any of you geniuses catch the Jets/Ravens game last night? In case you didn't, the Ravens ran the ball 11 straight times during one late series -out of the same formation, I might add - resulting in four first downs and nearly half a quarter burned off the clock. Was this "bland" and "predictable" play calling? Or was it just smart football? Anyone think that the reason the Ravens were successful on that drive is because the Jets had no idea that their opponent was going to try to run the ball sitting on a huge lead late in the game?

You do not win football games by consistently tricking your opponent. You win by consistently executing, as the Ravens did last night. It's amazing how many members of Mularkey's lynch mob completely fail to understand that.

It's not brilliant anymore when you see the Seahawks adjusting to it, and bringing in 8-9 in the box and still continuing to run the same play over and over, not adjusting.

Whether it's execution or bland, predictable playcalling, it's gotten to the point after 4 years we are having the same hiccups over and over that it has to fall on the coaches. I personally think Mularkey is stubborn and too micromanaging and his conservative playcalling is a major issue, but if you think it's the execution, there has a point where the coaches are accountable for not getting the players to execute. We have as much talent as any team in the NFL, we have no excuses. If the players can't execute then the coaches need to suck it up and adjust the system to make it easier for these "sorry" players to execute then.

It's a hell of a lot easier to adjust the scheme to the talent rather than gut the team and start over.

cooperbh · 10-03-2011, 03:30 PM

(10-03-2011 03:19 PM)raysnill1 Wrote: LOL, the Ravens consistently executed to punt every possession in the second half except the final where they kneeled down 3 plays AND the defense scored in the second half. now if you're applauding them running the clock, carry on

Did you see Flacco last night? He completed 10 passes. Any OC who would call for more pass plays over running out the clock and handing it over to your dominant defense with a 17 point lead after watching Flacco's ineptitude should be fired on the spot.

Point is in that particular situation the Ravens wanted to run it. The Jets knew the Ravens wanted to run it. The Jets still couldn't stop the run. Execution.

Carry on.

**Radical** · 10-03-2011, 03:35 PM

(10-03-2011 03:26 PM)Paulitik Wrote: We have as much talent as any team in the NFL

See, that's where I think people have a major disconnect.

Our #1 and #2 WRs? Yeah.
Our TE? Slow, but yes.
Our FB? Sure.
Our RB? Not fast, not very agile, and isn't a receiving threat.
Our QB? Middle of the pack arm and not mobile, but great otherwise.
Our OL? No. No. No. No. No. Hell no. Fuck that. No. Horrible. Bottom tier.

What two parts of the offense are more important than anyone else? The QB, and then offensive line. After that, it's a wash. You have a QB and OL, and you can compete. One of those fail on you, and you're going to struggle no matter what you have going on.

raysnill1 · 10-03-2011, 03:42 PM

(10-03-2011 03:30 PM)cooperbh Wrote: Did you see Flacco last night? He completed 10 passes. Any OC who would call for more pass plays over running out the clock and handing it over to your dominant defense with a 17 point lead after watching Flacco's ineptitude should be fired on the spot.

Point is in that particular situation the Ravens wanted to run it. The Jets knew the Ravens wanted to run it. The Jets still couldn't stop the run. Execution.

Carry on.

maybe my definition of can't stop is different from yours. Can't stop to me means that the Ravens were running & getting touchdowns. oh well you win

Jesus · 10-03-2011, 03:43 PM

(10-03-2011 03:30 PM)cooperbh Wrote: Did you see Flacco last night? He completed 10 passes. Any OC who would call for more pass plays over running out the clock and handing it over to your dominant defense with a 17 point lead after watching Flacco's ineptitude should be fired on the spot.

Point is in that particular situation the Ravens wanted to run it. The Jets knew the Ravens wanted to run it. The Jets still couldn't stop the run. Execution.

Carry on.

I didn't watch the game but looking at the stats, there is nothing to get too excited about when you look at these two teams and their numbers. They have good defenses but their offenses were abysmal.

Flacco 10/31 163 1int
Sanchez 11/35 119 1int
They averaged 2.0 and 2.8 yards per run.

So it must be amazing Defenses right?
The Titans put up 432 yards on the Ravens
Oakland put up 383 on the Jets, 234 of it on the ground.

Every defense has holes this year.

Jesus · 10-03-2011, 04:03 PM

This is from ESPN:

Atlanta’s Michael Turner carried 26 times against Seattle. The Falcons now are 23-1 in games in which Turner has at least 25 carries.

Beef · (This post was last modified: 10-03-2011 04:08 PM by Beef.)

I'm not calling for Mularkey's head. I think he's more than capable of changing his philosphy and mind and simply making good decisions. Right now, I'm just pointing out his poor decisions and inability to adjust.

The fact that we don't have as good of an offensive line as the Ravens is exactly why I've been saying what I'm saying. Our OL is weak on both fronts, so we can't sit in the pocket for 3+ seconds and we can't run the ball whenever we want. Our OL forces us to play unpredictable or we get stopped.

All you did coop is make my point. We can't afford to be predictable like some other teams can. We're the Falcons, not the Ravens or Bears or (insert 29 other teams) and we have to work plays that work better with a shitty OL and we're simply not doing that consistently.

takeitdown · 10-03-2011, 04:37 PM

If a team is running, and it's predictable, but successful, there's no reason to change. There's no reason to change what you're doing at all when it's working. The whole point is, when it ceases to work...you need other things to go to.

Optimally, you mix in a few things early so that your bread and butter doesn't cease to work, but even without that...I'm fine if they keep throwing 15 yard posts if they work. But, when they stop working, they need to know what plays those 15 yard posts set up.

**papachaz** · 10-03-2011, 05:32 PM

(10-03-2011 02:45 PM)cooperbh Wrote: All of these armchair OCs blathering on about "predictable" and "bland" playcalling are hilarious. They act as if we are the only team in the NFL who run the ball on first down - an unspeakable sin, in their view. Guess what, people? The majority of teams in the NFL run on first down. Why? It's an ideal situation to run the football.

The most laughable thing is that the Falcons ran the ball 11 times on first down in the first half and Mularkey is called "brilliant" for it. Then the Falcons turn around and call only 8 first down run plays in the second half and the usual suspects are once again calling for Mularkey's head.

Did any of you geniuses catch the Jets/Ravens game last night? In case you didn't, the Ravens ran the ball 11 straight times during one late series -out of the same formation, I might add - resulting in four first downs and nearly half a quarter burned off the clock. Was this "bland" and "predictable" play calling? Or was it just smart football? Anyone think that the reason the Ravens were successful on that drive is because the Jets had no idea that their opponent was going to try to run the ball sitting on a huge lead late in the game? You do not win football games by consistently tricking your opponent. You win by consistently executing, as the Ravens did last night. It's amazing how many members of Mularkey's lynch mob completely fail to understand that.

wow, i am in such awe at your post, i just don't know what to say...../sarcasm off

do the ravens have not only a decent OLine, but a damn good one compared to what ours has been? Did they try over and over and over to run the same play against 8 and 9 in the box? I'm not arguing your point that you win by being consistant, but that doesn't count being consistantly BAD, like we've become. I'm one of MM's 'lynch mob' as you call it, and i don't "completely fail to understand that" at all. what i DO completely understand is that when something fails over and over and over, THAT ALSO IS CONSISTANT and it's time to try something else, you know, i think that's called 'making adjustments as necessary' ..... havent' really seen MM be effective much less consistant in doing that, and that is why i'm part of his lynch mod. Heck, I'd gladly be the one to slap the horse on the ass.....call me what you want, i could care less