Falcons: Pass Rush From a Fan

[IceAge02]

(11-16-2011 09:07 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote:  It is called pass coverage. Your secondary did a surprisingly good job of shutting down the options on third down. Have you ever heard of a "coverage sack"? A sack contributed to the pass coverage with no credit warranted the rush. Well, you didn't getting those, but at least you got some "coverage stops" on third down. No help from the pass rush.

So your saying all of those 3rd downs that you guys didnt get were because of great coverage by our LBs and DBs?

[Radical]

Our coverage was excellent this game outside of a few blown coverages and the area between the OLB and our NB(usually over Nicholas or Hayden). Spoon did exceptionally well against Sproles, and our outside coverage was very good. We were getting eaten up when they managed to get a one on one with our safeties or in the seams against OLB/Hayden.

[AsylumGuido]

(11-16-2011 09:12 PM)IceAge02 Wrote:  So your saying all of those 3rd downs that you guys didnt get were because of great coverage by our LBs and DBs?

No, not all, but also not because of pressure.

Failed third down attempts.

Regulation

3-7-ATL 35 (2:59) 9-D.Brees pass incomplete short right to 80-J.Graham. Dropped
3-8-NO 12 (15:00) (Shotgun) 9-D.Brees pass incomplete short left to 80-J.Graham. Dropped, again
3-5-ATL 48 (6:45) (Shotgun) 9-D.Brees pass incomplete short left to 43-D.Sproles. (ditto, dropped)
3-3-ATL 45 (1:22) (Shotgun) 9-D.Brees pass incomplete short middle to 16-L.Moore (20-B.Grimes). (good play Grimes)
3-5-ATL 23 (12:00) 9-D.Brees pass short left to 43-D.Sproles to ATL 22 for 1 yard (54-S.Nicholas; 23-D.Robinson). good coverage, check down to Sproles
3-20-ATL 25 (12:43) (Shotgun) 9-D.Brees pass short left to 43-D.Sproles to ATL 30 for -5 yards (28-T.DeCoud). good coverage again
3-4-ATL 26 (7:21) (Shotgun) 9-D.Brees pass incomplete short left to 80-J.Graham. Again, good coverage, threw ball away
3-5-ATL 27 (2:13) 9-D.Brees pass incomplete short middle to 23-P.Thomas [55-J.Abraham]. coverage, check down throw away

Overtime

3-2-NO 35 (12:48) (Shotgun) 9-D.Brees pass short left to 43-D.Sproles to NO 36 for 1 yard (56-S.Weatherspoon). Coverage check down

[IceAge02]

(11-16-2011 09:39 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote:  No, not all, but also not because of pressure.

Failed third down attempts.

Regulation

3-7-ATL 35 (2:59) 9-D.Brees pass incomplete short right to 80-J.Graham. Dropped
3-8-NO 12 (15:00) (Shotgun) 9-D.Brees pass incomplete short left to 80-J.Graham. Dropped, again
3-5-ATL 48 (6:45) (Shotgun) 9-D.Brees pass incomplete short left to 43-D.Sproles. (ditto, dropped)
3-3-ATL 45 (1:22) (Shotgun) 9-D.Brees pass incomplete short middle to 16-L.Moore (20-B.Grimes). (good play Grimes)
3-5-ATL 23 (12:00) 9-D.Brees pass short left to 43-D.Sproles to ATL 22 for 1 yard (54-S.Nicholas; 23-D.Robinson). good coverage, check down to Sproles
3-20-ATL 25 (12:43) (Shotgun) 9-D.Brees pass short left to 43-D.Sproles to ATL 30 for -5 yards (28-T.DeCoud). good coverage again
3-4-ATL 26 (7:21) (Shotgun) 9-D.Brees pass incomplete short left to 80-J.Graham. Again, good coverage, threw ball away
3-5-ATL 27 (2:13) 9-D.Brees pass incomplete short middle to 23-P.Thomas [55-J.Abraham]. coverage, check down throw away

Overtime

3-2-NO 35 (12:48) (Shotgun) 9-D.Brees pass short left to 43-D.Sproles to NO 36 for 1 yard (56-S.Weatherspoon). Coverage check down

Ill give you the 1st 2 plays. But the 3rd 1 to sproles with the ditto ahahaha thats too funny I guess your extremely accurate QB made a great throw hu. He was stepping back Before he threw the ball(Becasue of the rush) witch caused the ball to skip into sporles hands. If he had all the time in the world like you and brooking are saying he would have completed that pass. Now Im not about to go thru all the 3rd downs because I g2g but Ive already proved you wrong on that play that there was pressure.

Im not saying we had pressure through out the whole game because its not true you can even see on the plays i wrote down i had a lot of no pressure. But that was in part because of brees quick release.

IMO dink and dunk through out the whole game shows brees respects our pass rush. Do you think he would dink and dunk the whole game against a team with no pass rush?

[Radical]

The Saints offense is a lot of dink and dunk, regardless of the pass rush. Our defense is designed to keep the offense from getting behind us and going deep, and we did that for the most part. The other part to our pass defense is to have the front four provide most of the pressure, which they failed to do by any reasonable standard against the Saints. Luckily though, our coverage made up for it more times than not.

[AsylumGuido]

(11-16-2011 09:53 PM)IceAge02 Wrote:  Ill give you the 1st 2 plays. But the 3rd 1 to sproles with the ditto ahahaha thats too funny I guess your extremely accurate QB made a great throw hu. He was stepping back Before he threw the ball(Becasue of the rush) witch caused the ball to skip into sporles hands. If he had all the time in the world like you and brooking are saying he would have completed that pass. Now Im not about to go thru all the 3rd downs because I g2g but Ive already proved you wrong on that play that there was pressure.

Im not saying we had pressure through out the whole game because its not true you can even see on the plays i wrote down i had a lot of no pressure. But that was in part because of brees quick release.

IMO dink and dunking through out the whole game shows brees respects our pass rush. Do you think he would dink and dunk the whole game against a team with no pass rush?

Okay, going off memory on the third third down failed. The Sproles drop must have come on another play. But, if the play had come down to Sproles on a 3rd and 5 it was most likely a check down, although, it may have been the one pressured 3rd down. Can't say for sure.

Yes, they dink and dunk quite often. All part of the "gimmick" offense.

[IceAge02]

(11-16-2011 10:00 PM)Radical Wrote:  The Saints offense is a lot of dink and dunk, regardless of the pass rush. Our defense is designed to keep the offense from getting behind us and going deep, and we did that for the most part. The other part to our pass defense is to have the front four provide most of the pressure, which they failed to do by any reasonable standard against the Saints. Luckily though, our coverage made up for it more times than not.

Point is dont judge our pass rush off of this game. Off of someone that throws the ball before it even touches his hands lol and ill take that anyday. For a defense makes there life a lot more easier all you have to do is make sure you wrap up which we did.

[AsylumGuido]

This whole debate was started on your premise that the Falcons defense pressured Brees all game long. Now you have regressed to the point that it may have been a very few plays because Brees got the ball away too soon. I'm sorry, but that's not pressure. That's football.

[IceAge02]

(11-16-2011 10:07 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote:  Okay, going off memory on the third third down failed. The Sproles drop must have come on another play. But, if the play had come down to Sproles on a 3rd and 5 it was most likely a check down, although, it may have been the one pressured 3rd down. Can't say for sure.

Yes, they dink and dunk quite often. All part of the "gimmick" offense.

I proved to you that there was atleast a little pressure from our dline. To say there was none is BS!!!! Saying our Dline did nothing at all is BS!!! Thats what ticked me off lol I remember when D.Brees had all the time in the world a couple years ago against us. He could hold onto the ball take it out to eat and still had time to throw. I didnt see him hold onto the ball this game for more then 3 seconds.

[IceAge02]

(11-16-2011 10:07 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote:  Okay, going off memory on the third third down failed. The Sproles drop must have come on another play. But, if the play had come down to Sproles on a 3rd and 5 it was most likely a check down, although, it may have been the one pressured 3rd down. Can't say for sure.

Yes, they dink and dunk quite often. All part of the "gimmick" offense.

I didnt mean dink and dunk. I was talking more about drews quick release which puts all the pressure on our Dbs and LBs to make the tackles and takes out the Dline out of there swag.