Falcons: Pass Rush From a Fan

[IceAge02]

So here I have all the passes from the saints game. This is to all our fans that say our pass rush is horrid.

Ps When I say quick pass or quick slant it means D.Brees usually has the ball no longer then 3 seconds.

6:13 rush 4-no pressure 3 step drop
5:34 rush 4-no pressure
5:29 rush 4-pressure at his feet-quick slant(3rd down)
4:56 rush 4-no pressure
2:49 rush 4-no pressure good coverage(3rd down)
1:07 rush 4-screen

15:00 rush 3-no pressure(3rd down)
9:25 rush 4- quick pass
9:04 rush 4- quick pass
8:28 rush 4-Bootleg
7:26 rush 4-quick realease
6:45 rush 4-pressure around him. forcing him to throw off his back foot inc(3rd down)
3:35 rush 4-no pressure
2:45 rush 4-screen (Babs pushes sproles incomplete)
2:40 rush 4-JA55 close but D.Brees steps up
1:47 rush 4-shotgun quick pass
1:26 rush 4-blitz decoud makes D.Brees throw it faster
1:22 rush 5-SW56 blitz 1 step away(3rd down)

14:17 rush 5- OLB Blitz force drew to step up and throws behind forcing his receiver to make an amazing catch. Peters 1 step away from a sack
12:00 rush 4-quick pass out to sproles(3rd down)
5:03 rush 4-Peters 1 step away
3:55 rush 5- no pressure
3:50 rush 4-no pressure
2:56 rush 4- screen
2:19 rush 4-force D.Brees step up straight into peters
1:39-rush 4-No pressure
14:15 rush 4-no pressure
13:09 rush 4-Flag holding
12:49 rush 5- decent pressure forcing d.brees to move up in the pocket and not get settled
12:43 rush 4-screen pass
10:48 rush 4-no pressure(D.Robinson was burned by moore from the start of the play. DBrees saw it)
10:17 rush 4-(Again D.Robinson getting Picked on)
10:12 rush 4-Babs pressure in the middle forcing Brees to move out
9:24 rush 4-quick pass SW pressure in the middle
9:19 rush 4-no pressure
7:59 rush 4-no pressure quick pass
7:21 rush 4-quick pass(3rd down)
4:12 rush 4-pressure up the middle by Babs
3:20 rush 4-no pressure
3:16 rush 6-good pressure forcing brees to his left makes a great throw with a great catch(WS56 should of had him)
2:13 rush 5-Sack by JA55 but did not count it
13:28 rush 4-No pressure
12:48 rush 4-quick pass out to sproles
10:04 rush 5-KH26 blitz 1 step to late for a sack


My Point is D.Brees release of the ball in less then 3 seconds And no Dline is really going to get much pressure from that. But I am impressed by our Dline Running to the ball having there tackles for loss. We will be a better team next time we face the aints. And an even better team once we get a new OC.

[AsylumGuido]

How does any of that indicate true "pressure"? Getting rid of the ball quick doesn't mean it was because of any pressure. Those short, quick routes are all a part of the game plan for the Saints. They are essentially long hand offs.

And moving in the pocket doesn't mean there was true pressure. Once again, Brees can move up into or out of the pocket without it affecting his accuracy. I don't see this as pressure since it has little or no effect on a throw.

And I counted one hold in the game. You stated in the other thread that the pressure forced Saints holding calls. That was a bit over-dramatic given there is seldom a game without at least one hold.

[IceAge02]

(11-16-2011 06:24 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote:  How does any of that indicate true "pressure"? Getting rid of the ball quick doesn't mean it was because of any pressure. Those short, quick routes are all a part of the game plan for the Saints. They are essentially long hand offs.

And moving in the pocket doesn't mean there was true pressure. Once again, Brees can move up into or out of the pocket without it affecting his accuracy. I don't see this as pressure since it has little or no effect on a throw.

And I counted one hold in the game. You stated in the other thread that the pressure forced Saints holding calls. That was a bit over-dramatic given there is seldom a game without at least one hold.

Hahahaha Have you ever played football? Why would you do quick releases in football? because you dont want to deal with pressure!!!! it makes the job for the line a lot easier to block knowing he will get it out of his hands in 3 seconds. Im not stating that our pass rush was amazing having D.Brees rattled and scared. Im stating that D.Brees knew he would get hit if he kept it long. That alone in his mind is pressure enough to change the way he throws.

2nd part Yes thats true just by him moving around doesnt mean hes getting pressure. He could just b moving around for better vision or better throwing lane. So I didn't count all the times he moved as pressure. Go look at the game again with my topic and you will see I only put pressure when he had some1 around him forcing him to move up. Forcing him to move up is pressure enough because he knows some1 is around him forcing him to dink and dunk witch he did A LOT!!!!!

3rd Your right on that I ment to just put hold.

[AsylumGuido]

(11-16-2011 06:39 PM)IceAge02 Wrote:  Hahahaha Have you ever played football? Why would you do quick releases in football? because you dont want to deal with pressure!!!! it makes the job for the line a lot easier to block knowing he will get it out of his hands in 3 seconds. Im not stating that our pass rush was amazing having D.Brees rattled and scared. Im stating that D.Brees knew he would get hit if he kept it long. That alone in his mind is pressure enough to change the way he throws.

2nd part Yes thats true just by him moving around doesnt mean hes getting pressure. He could just b moving around for better vision or better throwing lane. So I didn't count all the times he moved as pressure. Go look at the game again with my topic and you will see I only put pressure when he had some1 around him forcing him to move up. Forcing him to move up is pressure enough because he knows some1 is around him forcing him to dink and dunk witch he did A LOT!!!!!

3rd Your right on that I ment to just put hold.

No. Never played football. But I have been watching it intensely for probably far longer than you have been alive and I have probably shot more games (high school, college and NFL) from the sidelines than you have played or attended in your life. But, if you were accustomed to the Saints offense you would know that Brees routinely gets rid of the ball in three seconds or less by design. Pressure has nothing to do with the quickness of his throws.

As far as pressure and moving in or out of the pocket, breaking down a portion of the pocket (causes a move out) or coming around the ends (causes a step up) does not mean that the QB is hampered at all. That does not translate to QB pressure.

[IceAge02]

(11-16-2011 06:49 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote:  No. Never played football. But I have been watching it intensely for probably far longer than you have been alive and I have probably shot more games (high school, college and NFL) from the sidelines than you have played or attended in your life. But, if you were accustomed to the Saints offense you would know that Brees routinely gets rid of the ball in three seconds or less by design. Pressure has nothing to do with the quickness of his throws.

As far as pressure and moving in or out of the pocket, breaking down a portion of the pocket (causes a move out) or coming around the ends (causes a step up) does not mean that the QB is hampered at all. That does not translate to QB pressure.

Me asking you if you ever played football or anything like that shouldn't matter. You can know a lot about football without playing a down in your life so I shouldn't have said that. But there are things you recognize that people that never played the sport won't.

I've watched D.Brees a couple time. I know about his release as I've stated in another comment. Thats what he does so good that makes him the QB he is now. He basically did those quick throws all game. And when he didn't we had pressure sometimes and other times we didn't(like that 1 time we rushed 3 linemen) Do you really think he wanted to Dink and Dunk all game because he likes too? Im sure if he could hold on to the ball longer he would have done it to see if he could get some mismatches down field.

Now i should have asked you this 1st what do you consider pressure? Do you go by what NFL considers pressure?

[AsylumGuido]

(11-16-2011 07:15 PM)IceAge02 Wrote:  Me asking you if you ever played football or anything like that shouldn't matter. You can know a lot about football without playing a down in your life so I shouldn't have said that. But there are things you recognize that people that never played the sport won't.

I've watched D.Brees a couple times. I know about his release as I've stated in another comment. Thats what he does so good that makes him the QB he is now. He basically did those quick throws all game. And when he didn't we had pressure sometimes and other times we didn't(like that 1 time we rushed 3 linemen) Do you really think he wanted to Dink and Dunk all game because he likes too? Im sure if he could hold on to the ball longer he would have done it to see if he could get some mismatches down field.

Now i should have asked you this 1st what do you consider pressure? Do you go by what NFL considers pressure?

As you've mentioned, you have watched Brees a couple of time, therefore your sample size is very limited. As I said, I have seen every snap of the offense with Brees and Payton. Payton always scripts the first 25 offensive plays and builds the remainder of the game plan on what he sees as being the most likelihood of success. Those scripts always include a number of those quick passes in leau of runs. They are extremely high percentage plays that can pick up 4-6 yards. That equates to a good solid run play. If the play is there early they will continue to use it throughout the game. So, yes, they do commonly dink and dunk, and yes, it is because they want to. Because it is successful.

As for pressure, first, I see pressure as materially altering a QB's accuracy or ability of making a play due to the proximity of the defensive player. I also see pressure as forcing the QB to throw a ball away before he has a chance to finish his reads. If he has finished his reads and coverage has taken away opportunity one would expect the defensive to get that proximity eventually. I do not consider that being pressured.

[keithbrooking56]

We got not pressure on Brees. Good grief I can't believe it takes a Saints fan saying the same thing to sink in for some of you. BTW the Saints use quick releases as part of the regular offense. There is no pressure forcing it is what they WANT TO DO.

[AsylumGuido]

(11-16-2011 08:29 PM)keithbrooking56 Wrote:  We got not pressure on Brees. Good grief I can't believe it takes a Saints fan saying the same thing to sink in for some of you. BTW the Saints use quick releases as part of the regular offense. There is no pressure forcing it is what they WANT TO DO.

And I can't believe it takes a Falcons fan to point that out to another Falcons fan.



Respect!

[IceAge02]

(11-16-2011 08:29 PM)keithbrooking56 Wrote:  We got not pressure on Brees. Good grief I can't believe it takes a Saints fan saying the same thing to sink in for some of you. BTW the Saints use quick releases as part of the regular offense. There is no pressure forcing it is what they WANT TO DO.

Sure bud Whatever you say. aha But yet on 3rd down We got them off the field(where D.BRees actually had to hold the ball longer then 2 or 3 seconds to let the play develop)(4 of 13). I wonder how we did that with no pressure....

[AsylumGuido]

(11-16-2011 08:50 PM)IceAge02 Wrote:  Sure bud Whatever you say. aha But yet on 3rd down We got them off the field(where D.BRees actually had to hold the ball longer then 2 or 3 seconds to let the play develop)(4 of 13). I wonder how we did that with no pressure....

It is called pass coverage. Your secondary did a surprisingly good job of shutting down the options on third down. Have you ever heard of a "coverage sack"? A sack contributed to the pass coverage with no credit warranted the rush. Well, you didn't getting those, but at least you got some "coverage stops" on third down. No help from the pass rush.