Falcons: Our next offensive scheme.

[caliber]

The ONLY thing from the scheme we have had for the last 4 years that should carry over to the next scheme we run is the no huddle. That's it, That's all. Our New scheme should be primarily focused on slants, crosses, and other routes that are intended provide YAC. Throw in some Go's and Post's down field to keep the secondary honest. I believe this would best compliment Ryans skill-set. Power running to open Play Action and control the clock just does not work in todays NFL. It just puts your QB on a leash. We need to open this puppy up. Get HD's fast ass involved and watch us light defenses up.

[raysnill1]

the one thing this offense has going in it's favor instantly: unpredictability. no more, oh we saw that on film so we knew what the play was. I think the offense improves dramatically if we do these simple things:

• keep those timing routes that Ryan likes to throw but turn them in and get the ball to receivers in motion. we got speed receivers stopping in their tracks to make catches: stupid
  

• use Turner in the passing game. people keep saying Turner has bad hands but I've only seen him drop maybe 4 passes in 3 seasons.
  

• have our linemen learn to execute zone blocking for the running game. Turner & Quizz would be like a sick version of Foster/Tate, then all we would need is a speedster.
  

• have Ryan learn how to execute back-shoulder fades and jump passes, and work non-stop on his deep ball.
  

• hire Jim Zorn as QB coach to work with Ryan on pocket awareness and technique. this season his footwork was very sloppy and that's maybe because Bratkowski was a WR.
  

[FullMetalFalcon23]

(01-11-2012 02:50 AM)raysnill1 Wrote:  the one thing this offense has going in it's favor instantly: unpredictability. no more, oh we saw that on film so we knew what the play was. I think the offense improves dramatically if we do these simple things:

• keep those timing routes that Ryan likes to throw but turn them in and get the ball to receivers in motion. we got speed receivers stopping in their tracks to make catches: stupid
  

• use Turner in the passing game. people keep saying Turner has bad hands but I've only seen him drop maybe 4 passes in 3 seasons.
  

• have our linemen learn to execute zone blocking for the running game. Turner & Quizz would be like a sick version of Foster/Tate, then all we would need is a speedster.
  

• have Ryan learn how to execute back-shoulder fades and jump passes, and work non-stop on his deep ball.
  

• hire Jim Zorn as QB coach to work with Ryan on pocket awareness and technique. this season his footwork was very sloppy and that's maybe because Bratkowski was a WR.
  

Hey dude, I liked some of the ideas you raised here in particular Zorn. People remember how pisses Flacco was at losing him? Is Zorn a person people would consider for OC?

I find it interesting the comments I am seeing about Matt's pocket awareness, I think this year we have seen a braver Matt. Go back and watch that Giants game, there are quite a few occasions where the pressure is in his face and he is still there holding and waiting to pull the trigger. That part of his game is there that I'm not moving from my spot until I really have to. If anyone noticed and I hope it's a part of his game he continues to develop Matt was extending plays more this year, a lot of the time nothing came of his efforts because he had to throw it away. That needs to be addressed in the wide receivers as in the playbook. You need those come back drills and you know most of the time Matt will bail to his right so why aren't they there. I'm not sure there is another QB in the league who has to throw away as much as Matt does. We need to take those instances and turn them into those explosive broken plays that often do our defense in.

Away from that either he is being coached in it or he is doing it himself but in the Gmen game I actually saw him doing rush avoidance. On two occasions I can recall him slipping the back side pass rusher, once with a spin and dip into a roll out to his wrong side, and the other was a nice step and slide into the vacated space. Now if we can see this continue to develop and get a strong O line that is athletic enough to come back from being beaten and take advantage of their QB buying extra time this can only benefit this offense.

Eli, Brees, and Rogers are all pocket QBs with that trait but they have the Oline with the mentality to capitalise on it.

I know Jason Campbell was no stud but one thing I remember from following his career early on was how he commented on Zorn helping him to move in the pocket. And I have seen it on tape where he was dropping back pressure coming, he'd plant that back foot like he was about to throw, pressure still imminent and then slide slightly in from the pressure rotating his torso and protecting the ball away from the pass rusher whilst keeping his eyes down field and stance in a ready to throw or run, and as the over pursuit ensued he'd slide up and into the vacated space either having found his open receiver or a lane into which he can run. Now even if Matt isn't as fast as Campbell if he can extend the play or pick up a few yards or the needed first down having these skills in his repertoire do nothing to hurt him, they just make him more dangerous because teams know if they get to him they have to bring him down otherwise that man who gets slipped and has to recover or whiffs and is on his ass if he isn't a linemen it's just created a more obvious advantage somewhere in that secondary. Something our defense knows more than they would care to about.

I am excited about what the future holds for both units. If moves like the Julio trade are anything to go by we have to think our FO is serious about continually putting this team on a winning position. Going with mediocre options that fits with a proposed established ideology does not gel with the way our FO is conducting themselves as of late. That is not to say they will consider any and everything but I would expect them to find and select the best option available to them that puts them in the position for long term and consistent success.

[ViperXX79]

(01-11-2012 04:33 AM)FullMetalFalcon23 Wrote:  Hey dude, I liked some of the ideas you raised here in particular Zorn. People remember how pisses Flacco was at losing him? Is Zorn a person people would consider for OC?

I find it interesting the comments I am seeing about Matt's pocket awareness, I think this year we have seen a braver Matt. Go back and watch that Giants game, there are quite a few occasions where the pressure is in his face and he is still there holding and waiting to pull the trigger. That part of his game is there that I'm not moving from my spot until I really have to.

You mean like the time he had TG wide open for a td and didn't throw to him because he got nervous over pressure that didn't exist? Ryan has had happy feet all year and looked even worse against the Giants. Who cares if he can stand in the pocket all day if he isn't going to pull the trigger. He needs to develop a little gunslinger in him. All the greats do it but Ryan is afraid to screw up. Let it fly.

[FullMetalFalcon23]

(01-11-2012 06:07 AM)ViperXX79 Wrote:  You mean like the time he had TG wide open for a td and didn't throw to him because he got nervous over pressure that didn't exist? Ryan has had happy feet all year and looked even worse against the Giants. Who cares if he can stand in the pocket all day if he isn't going to pull the trigger. He needs to develop a little gunslinger in him. All the greats do it but Ryan is afraid to screw up. Let it fly.

That is an example of that where it needs to develop. I'm not saying its complete but that it is there to be worked on. Matt needs to redevelop the GunSlinger in him. It comes back in flashes, but nothing like that amazing rookie who would stun us. Sometimes I think his quest for clinicalness whether coached into him or self induced is fighting and muddying the waters of his instincts.

[juraitwaluzka]

(01-11-2012 06:21 AM)FullMetalFalcon23 Wrote:  That is an example of that where it needs to develop. I'm not saying its complete but that it is there to be worked on. Matt needs to redevelop the GunSlinger in him. It comes back in flashes, but nothing like that amazing rookie who would stun us. Sometimes I think his quest for clinicalness whether coached into him or self induced is fighting and muddying the waters of his instincts.

Having someone that doesn't coach scared will be a good start.

[ChrisD]

Like John Elway did to Tim Tebow, I believe that what Matt needs is for Arthur Blank to step up and tell Matt Ryan he needs to do a better job at "pulling the trigger". That missed play where Tony G was wide open was ridiculous. I about ripped my hair out. Matt's an awesoem quarterback, but part of me just thinks he needs to do better at feeling the pocket.

[papachaz]

(01-11-2012 01:00 PM)ChrisD Wrote:  Like John Elway did to Tim Tebow, I believe that what Matt needs is for Arthur Blank to step up and tell Matt Ryan he needs to do a better job at "pulling the trigger". That missed play where Tony G was wide open was ridiculous. I about ripped my hair out. Matt's an awesoem quarterback, but part of me just thinks he needs to do better at feeling the pocket.

he IS used to feeling it, he's used to feeling it collapse on him! I think he played scared for about the whole game sunday. seemed to be bailing out when it didn't look like he needed to. and yeah, several times in the game he had 1 on 1 coverage on Roddy and JJ but didn't pull the trigger. it's been said already this year, but he has GOT to learn to trust his guys to go up and get the ball like TG usually does.

[pauliwood]

According to the press conference, this new scheme will feature a heavy dose of Rodgers, I could see us using him in the Sproles/Bush role in a Saint type offense.

[Jesus]

It sounds like our potential OC might still be coaching.

What OC would not want this job. Look at the offense he will be inheriting.
Ryan - Franchise best year
Gonzo - Future HOF
White - Most catches of any WR over last 3 years
Jones - Superb rookie year nothing but ups
Turner - Either 1 or 2 among NFL running backs in yards, carries and TDs over the past 4 years.

Any OC should be changing their shorts over these guys