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phalcon phil · 09-11-2011, 05:57 PM

(09-11-2011 05:52 PM)cooperbh Wrote: The arm has nothing to do with it. Just stop it.

Other than that, you're not far off. The broadcast team flashed a stat in the 3rd quarter showing that the Falcons had attempted just one pass of 20+ yards up to that point. I saw Eli Manning attempt two deep passes in the same series just a while ago. You can't make explosive plays if you don't attempt them.

There's no evidence Ryan can consistently land a deep pass, because he's never done it consistently. Maybe he can but nobody knows because it's never happened, and until it does, it's not out of the question to wonder if he's even got the mustard to wing it with the big boys.

takeitdown · 09-11-2011, 06:03 PM

(09-11-2011 05:52 PM)cooperbh Wrote: The arm has nothing to do with it. Just stop it.

Other than that, you're not far off. The broadcast team flashed a stat in the 3rd quarter showing that the Falcons had attempted just one pass of 20+ yards up to that point. I saw Eli Manning attempt two deep passes in the same series just a while ago. You can't make explosive plays if you don't attempt them.

The arm has some to do with it. I think Ryan has a good enough arm to take deep shots and be a top NFL QB. However, when he has to step up, or move in the pocket, and a guy opens up deep, he doesn't throw it. It happened today, he had a guy open by 5 yards (Julio I think) down the field after the pocket started to shift...he threw it short. It was a first down completion, so it was fine, but on a similar play, Eli Manning stepped up and threw it 50 yards to Nicks.

Again, I think his arm is fine...but not for improvising and throwing later...he needs to get rid of the ball fairly early because he can't throw a deep ball when the DB is already 30 yards downfield.

I think you can work with that...but it does make a difference.

cooperbh · 09-11-2011, 06:05 PM

(09-11-2011 05:57 PM)phalcon phil Wrote: There's no evidence Ryan can consistently land a deep pass, because he's never done it consistently. Maybe he can but nobody knows because it's never happened, and until it does, it's not out of the question to wonder if he's even got the mustard to wing it with the big boys.

Even if there is no evidence showing that Ryan can consistently land the deep pass, there is more than enough evidence showing that it has nothing to do with his arm strength.

So, again, just stop it. I'm trying to agree with you here.

phalcon phil · 09-11-2011, 06:08 PM

(09-11-2011 06:05 PM)cooperbh Wrote: Even if there is no evidence showing that Ryan can consistently land the deep pass, there is more than enough evidence showing that it has nothing to do with his arm strength.

So, again, just stop it. I'm trying to agree with you here.

The only thing left is sack. I've always been under the impression that Ryan possessed one. Am I wrong? My personal opinion is he likes limiting his mistakes, especially after coming out of college with a rather average td to int ratio, so he eliminates those plays that have high turnover risk.

So there's no argument about him not being able to land the deep pass consistently just, the reason why. Whatever it is, somebody needs to figure it out.

***phocis850*** · 09-11-2011, 06:10 PM

Ryan can only do as well as the Oline in front of him allows. They were PURE JUNK today.

cooperbh · 09-11-2011, 06:22 PM

(09-11-2011 06:03 PM)takeitdown Wrote: The arm has some to do with it. I think Ryan has a good enough arm to take deep shots and be a top NFL QB. However, when he has to step up, or move in the pocket, and a guy opens up deep, he doesn't throw it. It happened today, he had a guy open by 5 yards (Julio I think) down the field after the pocket started to shift...he threw it short. It was a first down completion, so it was fine, but on a similar play, Eli Manning stepped up and threw it 50 yards to Nicks.

Again, I think his arm is fine...but not for improvising and throwing later...he needs to get rid of the ball fairly early because he can't throw a deep ball when the DB is already 30 yards downfield.

I think you can work with that...but it does make a difference.

There was a play today where Ryan pumped faked on what looked to be a stop and go route to Roddy (Don't think Roddy was entirely in on it, though.) Whatever it was, Ryan needs to just let that one fly. Roddy may have had a chance to adjust and run under it if he had. Very similar to the unnecessary pump fake to Jenkins in the playoff game last year.

To me, that is the crux of the problem when it comes to Ryan and the deep ball.

takeitdown · 09-11-2011, 06:25 PM

(09-11-2011 06:08 PM)phalcon phil Wrote: The only thing left is sack. I've always been under the impression that Ryan possessed one. Am I wrong? My personal opinion is he likes limiting his mistakes, especially after coming out of college with a rather average td to int ratio, so he eliminates those plays that have high turnover risk.

So there's no argument about him not being able to land the deep pass consistently just, the reason why. Whatever it is, somebody needs to figure it out.

He threw a pretty decent number of deep passes his rookie year. I think they coached it out of him, but he was willing to let his playmakers make a play.

He has to get back to that some of the time. Not all the time, just more.

keithbrooking56 · 09-11-2011, 06:27 PM

How can anyone blame Ryan for not taking more deep passes when we had three guys killing him on the line? Baker was mauled by Peppers and they got consistent up the middle pressure thanks to our C and RG playing like two sacks of wet crap out there. Tell me how any QB can step UP into the pocket to deliver an accurate deep ball when he's running for his life or getting sacked.

The Don™ · 09-11-2011, 06:39 PM

(09-11-2011 06:27 PM)keithbrooking56 Wrote: How can anyone blame Ryan for not taking more deep passes when we had three guys killing him on the line? Baker was mauled by Peppers and they got consistent up the middle pressure thanks to our C and RG playing like two sacks of wet crap out there. Tell me how any QB can step UP into the pocket to deliver an accurate deep ball when he's running for his life or getting sacked.

You can't really blame him for the most part. The Bears dropping 7 or 8 in coverage doesn't help either. And they started dropping that many guys when they went up by a lot and when we had to throw it down the field more....A combination of horrid OL play and 7 or 8 guys in coverage will NOT result in successful downfield passing...

We partly set our selves up for that when we went down and HAD to pass to get back in the game. We had to turn one dimensional, and it's not hard for the Bears D to stop when they know it's coming...

cooperbh · 09-11-2011, 06:42 PM

(09-11-2011 06:27 PM)keithbrooking56 Wrote: How can anyone blame Ryan for not taking more deep passes when we had three guys killing him on the line? Baker was mauled by Peppers and they got consistent up the middle pressure thanks to our C and RG playing like two sacks of wet crap out there. Tell me how any QB can step UP into the pocket to deliver an accurate deep ball when he's running for his life or getting sacked.

There were many times today, though, when Ryan had good protection and just couldn't find anyone open. In fact, Falcons receivers haven't really been open for two years, IMO. It's more Ryan throwing his receivers open in tight windows for short gains. Sick of that shit.

I've never been a Mularkey basher, but the buck has to stop somewhere. Seriously, when was the last time we had a receiver running wide open in this offense?