Falcons: It's Not Mularkey, It's Ryan

[Paulitik]

(10-11-2011 01:20 AM)cooperbh Wrote:  I guess we just look at life differently. See, I believe that when you encounter adversity, you should pull yourself up by the bootstraps and work even harder than you did before. I don't believe in blaming co-workers, "the system," the past, etc, etc. Waiting around for others to solve your problems is never the way to go, IMO.

It's called "personal responsibilty." Find out about it.

You're a libertarian, huh? Sound like you're channelling Ayn Rand. Personal responsibility sounds great, but in the actual real world you won't find a single QB that wins without the team executing. Will and leadership only go so far. Just like you won't find any successful business person that didn't make it without the sacrifices of countless others to build a functioning society and environment to nurture his talents to be successful.There is only so much any individual can do without the cooperation of those around him. Matt is not being set up for success, whether by scheme, execution, or talent put around him. Matt can't force Roddy to catch easy passes, force the OL to not hold, and it seems pointing out an oncoming pass rusher by screaming his number out isn't working either.

So if you are expecting Matt or any QB to somehow be able to be 2 places at once, throw and catch his on passes, and somehow play defense too, you're kidding yourself. Matt has done an amazing job with the limited options he's had with this conservative, play not to lose, offensive scheme. He has given it everything he's had and he's helped win us a lot of games when he was the only one there who could make it happen. I think considering where we were, and where we are up til now, he deserves our support and faith that we'll get out of this slump a better team.

One thing I guarantee, the moment we give up on him, and he goes elsewhere, someone else will get the most out of him, and he'll reach the potential I know he has, and beat the shit out of us on his way to doing it.

[FullMetalFalcon23]

(10-10-2011 03:37 PM)BullRush Wrote:  Coop your opinion wont be very popular here but I agree with about 90% of it, and I salute for having the balls to say it.
I've been saying Ryan is missing something. Sure he has talent but there's something missing. That something that Brady, Big Ben, Stafford, and Brees have.
Despite what people think. This team is Turners team.. his success dictates our team succces.
I personally believe Ryan has adopted the mild mannered nature ofthe his coaches.

A coaching change maybe all he needs

I strongly disagree with you on two points.

This if anything is Matt's team if he cannot get it done then Turner can't. In more recent history Matt has given the team its piggy backs to victory weather it be a career day or a high degree of proficiency in execution in a smaller scale. When was the last time Turner ran this team to victory. Not one big play but several plays in a game where he works a team like foster, Peterson, or Johnson the last two years. He has not done it.

The second thing made me really angry until I married it with your coaching comment. You cannot compare Matt to Brady Roth and Brees now because those guys have fully developed only Brady has truly looked phenomenal out of the gate, Roth like Matt had his highs and lows, Brees showed so great in san Diego they shifted his ass. It annoys me that people are all over him for being great, his greatness is the product of his partnership with someone innovative enough to build an offense for and around and with his quarterback. And Stafford, the guy has been trending towards being a bust with countless injuries shit performances, he has a breakout year and now he is better than Matt? All these guys have O lines that make them hard to sack or themselves are hard to sack. On top of that look at the defensive units they have supporting them. We have a shit load of talent in D and the results are so erratic, is that the players or the scheme.

Offensively our woes are on the o line it is obvious as day on the field. It is basic football if your o line cannot establish minimal control your pass game can't be consistent and neither can your ground game.

I can't believe I am reading about us trading for kaepernick, sometimes this place is like day release for the insane. One it would never happen based on who Matt Ryan is, and 2 trade with flaming what?

Sort the o line out switch to a system that works to matts strength, I.e. look how he threw harry Douglas open in preaseason when the line was actually blocking.

[cooperbh]

(10-11-2011 01:43 AM)Paulitik Wrote:  You're a libertarian, huh? Sound like you're channelling Ayn Rand. Personal responsibility sounds great, but in the actual real world you won't find a single QB that wins without the team executing. Will and leadership only go so far. Just like you won't find any successful business person that didn't make it without the sacrifices of countless others to build a functioning society and environment to nurture his talents to be successful.There is only so much any individual can do without the cooperation of those around him. Matt is not being set up for success, whether by scheme, execution, or talent put around him. Matt can't force Roddy to catch easy passes, force the OL to not hold, and it seems pointing out an oncoming pass rusher by screaming his number out isn't working either.

So if you are expecting Matt or any QB to somehow be able to be 2 places at once, throw and catch his on passes, and somehow play defense too, you're kidding yourself. Matt has done an amazing job with the limited options he's had with this conservative, play not to lose, offensive scheme. He has given it everything he's had and he's helped win us a lot of games when he was the only one there who could make it happen. I think considering where we were, and where we are up til now, he deserves our support and faith that we'll get out of this slump a better team.

One thing I guarantee, the moment we give up on him, and he goes elsewhere, someone else will get the most out of him, and he'll reach the potential I know he has, and beat the shit out of us on his way to doing it.

Actually, I'm a liberal. Like most liberals, I want government out of my personal life and don't want my tax dollars funding corporate welfare programs and bailouts to those who make reckless financial decisions. But that's neither here nor there.

And I'm not giving up on Ryan by any stretch. Don't know why people keep insinuating that. It's just time for him to step the fuck up. There are other QBs in the league (A-Rod, Cutler, Big Ben, Eli) whose O-lines are even more shit than ours who are nonetheless pushing the ball downfield and not playing the game passively.

[Paulitik]

(10-11-2011 01:57 AM)cooperbh Wrote:  Actually, I'm a liberal. Like most liberals, I want government out of my personal life and don't want my tax dollars funding corporate welfare programs and bailouts to those who make reckless financial decisions. But that's neither here nor there.

And I'm not giving up on Ryan by any stretch. Don't know why people keep insinuating that. It's just time for him to step the fuck up. There are other QBs in the league (A-Rod, Cutler, Big Ben) whose O-lines are even more shit than ours who are nonetheless pushing the ball downfield and not playing the game passively.

Well, we agree on that. I'm a liberal too. I used to be a libertarian, and you were throwing out the code words.

I think scheme is more of the culprit when it comes to lack of a successful vertical passing game than anything. The protection is an issue, but I don't see all these open receivers running down the field in stride heading for the end zone. I see a lot of outs and curls. I don't think it's an emphasis, therefore I don't think we practice it enough, and I think that's why we suck at it. I've seen enough out of Matt in college and with us to know he can do it, I just don't think Mularkey wants, or knows how to get it out of him.

I heard Dave Archer say something similar this afternoon, there are routes and schemes that can be implemented to get more long plays, and we aren't adding them.

[Beef]

(10-11-2011 01:20 AM)cooperbh Wrote:  I guess we just look at life differently. See, I believe that when you encounter adversity, you should pull yourself up by the bootstraps and work even harder than you did before. I don't believe in blaming co-workers, "the system," the past, etc, etc. Waiting around for others to solve your problems is never the way to go, IMO.

It's called "personal responsibilty." Find out about it.

I figured you'd go this route and still not have a realistic reason supporting your contentions. Personal responsibility isn't going to help our OL block longer or get our WRs open before Matt gets pulverized into the ground and uncontrollably ravaged with pain.

If you're driving your car and somebody coming at you crosses the line and slams into you head-on, are you going to blame yourself?

If you're sitting in your house and an airplane just happens to fall out of the sky and crash into your livingroom, are you at fault?

Believe it or not, but sometimes shit is completely out of your control and no matter how hard you try, shit happens. And right now, what's going on with the Falcons is out of Matt's control.

[cooperbh]

(10-11-2011 02:20 AM)Paulitik Wrote:  Well, we agree on that. I'm a liberal too. I used to be a libertarian, and you were throwing out the code words.

I think scheme is more of the culprit when it comes to lack of a successful vertical passing game than anything. The protection is an issue, but I don't see all these open receivers running down the field in stride heading for the end zone. I see a lot of outs and curls. I don't think it's an emphasis, therefore I don't think we practice it enough, and I think that's why we suck at it. I've seen enough out of Matt in college and with us to know he can do it, I just don't think Mularkey wants, or knows how to get it out of him.

I heard Dave Archer say something similar this afternoon, there are routes and schemes that can be implemented to get more long plays, and we aren't adding them.

I think the plays are there. And I think if they were working in practice and Ryan was lobbying to have them used more often, then we would see them. Why wouldn't we? This idea that an OC on the hot seat whose GM is calling for more explosive plays would refuse to add high percentage YAC routes to the playbook is, quite frankly, preposterous.

What is much more likely is that Ryan is simply not as accurate hitting receivers in stride as he is fitting balls into stationary tight windows, and is therefore reluctant to operate outside his comfort zone.

[cooperbh]

(10-11-2011 04:28 AM)Beef Wrote:  I figured you'd go this route and still not have a realistic reason supporting your contentions. Personal responsibility isn't going to help our OL block longer or get our WRs open before Matt gets pulverized into the ground and uncontrollably ravaged with pain.

If you're driving your car and somebody coming at you crosses the line and slams into you head-on, are you going to blame yourself?

If you're sitting in your house and an airplane just happens to fall out of the sky and crash into your livingroom, are you at fault?

Believe it or not, but sometimes shit is completely out of your control and no matter how hard you try, shit happens. And right now, what's going on with the Falcons is out of Matt's control.

The fact that you're comparing things like Ryan's decision to slide short of the first down marker to the completely random act of an airplane falling out of the sky and crashing into someone's living room speaks volumes.

You simply don't believe in the concept of personal responsibility. I do. We'll just have to agree to disagree on that point.

[cooperbh]

Something else to consider:

According to PFF, the Packers' O-line graded out with a -1.1 pass block rating on Sunday night. The Falcons' O-line graded out with a +1.7 pass block rating.

The Packers QB threw for 400 yards and 2 TDs, the Falcons QB threw for 160 yards and two INTs.

The O-line can't be blamed for this one.

[takeitdown]

Not sure if I put it in this thread, but as much as I get annoyed with Ryan for the deep ball misses, No QB hits those much. I put a topic on it Saturday, I think:

http://atlantafalconstalk.com/showthread.php?tid=5660

The gist is, the best deep ball passers completed 8 completions over 30 yards in the air last year. 1 every 2 games. That means we can't depend on Ryan to get 3. The explosive plays come from 11-20 yarders in which the WR is open and running free...that's where we need to focus, and where our QB should excel.

On the deep balls, Ryan needs to stop trying to make the perfect throw, and loft the ball up a little short and let our big, strong receivers come down with it. If you're going to try to hit people in stride, it's much better to have quick 5'10 guys who get more separation. The point of these big guys is to put the ball up in a good position for them and let them go get it.

So, high backshoulder fades on the deep balls, and a lot more of opening up the field in the 11-20 yard range with a big emphasis on the latter should help a lot. Ryan has to step up and make the throws, even if they're INTs. Give your playmakers a chance to make plays, especially on the longer throws. Then those shorter ones open up. He's a little shell shocked, but the freedom of just putting it up I think would give him a bit more confidence.

[RnB]

(10-11-2011 01:57 AM)cooperbh Wrote:  And I'm not giving up on Ryan by any stretch. Don't know why people keep insinuating that. It's just time for him to step the fuck up. There are other QBs in the league (A-Rod, Cutler, Big Ben, Eli) whose O-lines are even more shit than ours who are nonetheless pushing the ball downfield and not playing the game passively.

I had the same fears last season but the formula we were using worked so I shut the fuck up. Its early in the season so I am not going to start commenting on Matt's penchant to make the safe throws instead of taking risks. Not yet.

(10-11-2011 12:52 PM)cooperbh Wrote:  I think the plays are there. And I think if they were working in practice and Ryan was lobbying to have them used more often, then we would see them. Why wouldn't we? This idea that an OC on the hot seat whose GM is calling for more explosive plays would refuse to add high percentage YAC routes to the playbook is, quite frankly, preposterous.

What is much more likely is that Ryan is simply not as accurate hitting receivers in stride as he is fitting balls into stationary tight windows, and is therefore reluctant to operate outside his comfort zone.

Great point!

(10-11-2011 01:12 PM)cooperbh Wrote:  Something else to consider:

According to PFF, the Packers' O-line graded out with a -1.1 pass block rating on Sunday night. The Falcons' O-line graded out with a +1.7 pass block rating.

The Packers QB threw for 400 yards and 2 TDs, the Falcons QB threw for 160 yards and two INTs.

The O-line can't be blamed for this one.

Our Oline has been shaping up the past couple games. If it continues to get better as the season goes on I will be one very happy camper.

Its a difficult comparison between GB's offense and our offense, especially considering how great they have been playing with Rodgers under center. They got hot at the right time last year and it has continued into this year. Our offense has undergone some changes that have hurt our production this year. It will continue to improve but I do not think we will see Matt put up 400 and 2 TDs with no picks in the near future. Well, maybe if we score 30+ in the first half against a terrible team (Panthers) and we decide to make a statement (unlikely for this coaching staff, who are very composed); Matt can have a huge day.