Falcons: It's Not Mularkey, It's Ryan

[Radical]

(10-10-2011 04:01 PM)Negatron Wrote:  why thank you. i must say, that's quite a complement coming from such a thought invoking internet message board poster as yourself

One could say that you typically need to have the capacity for thought in order for someone to invoke such things.

[Negatron]

(10-10-2011 04:03 PM)Radical Wrote:  One could say that you typically need to have the capacity for thought in order for someone to invoke such things.

yes, i think it would be safe to say that one has to be able to think in order to think?

[Radical]

(10-10-2011 04:07 PM)Negatron Wrote:  yes, i think it would be safe to say that one has to be able to think in order to think?

Let me help you along here. I can't invoke thought in someone that lacks the ability to think in the first place.

[Radical]

(10-10-2011 04:11 PM)Negatron Wrote:  yep, thats what i just said

You didn't make a statement, you asked a question, hence the question mark.

[bF™]

(10-10-2011 03:44 PM)caliber Wrote:  Yea, I bet you never thought Tom Brady would out-play Drew Bledsoe either did you?

At what point do you losers finally look at what is given to Ryan on a weekly basis, and his failures to take advantage of it? Why does EVERY other NFL fan see Ryan as an over rated game manager, yet Falcons fans want to coddle him? Why does every analyst keep saying he is doing nothing but regressing, and we bash them for it. WHEN LITERALLY EVERYONE BESIDES OUR FAN BASE ACKNOWLEDGES IT, we need to start taking it with a little more than a grain of salt.

a lot of NFL fans thought drew brees, tom brady, big ben, phillip rivers were game managers at this point in their careers too.

go check out bradys numbers his first 4 years as a starter. not too far off from ryans. same thing with brees, rivers and big ben.

i think part of the problem is that people seem to forget that guys like ryan, flacco, sanchez and even stafford are still young as hell. everybody is trying to compare them to guys in the 10th-12th years that are surefire and borderline HOFers.

ryan can play and imo he's not that far off from being elite. he has a couple phases of his game that he needs to touch up, and that will come with experience and COACHING. giving up on ryan at this point in his career would just be plain fucking stupid. san diego made that same mistake a few years ago. luckily for them rivers turned out to be pretty good.

[Negatron]

(10-10-2011 04:13 PM)Radical Wrote:  You didn't make a statement, you asked a question, hence the question mark.

the question mark was there because your statement seemed a little rhetorical. would you love me if i didn't say fuck so much?

[RFlagg]

In terms of Matt and the deep ball, I'm going to reference the same play I did last year to prove my point. That play is the sideline completion to Mike Jenkins with 50 seconds left versus the Ravens last season. Now, this has a good bit of math involved, so stick with me through it.

On this play, Matt hit Jenkins with a perfect throw on the sideline that gained 25 yards. However, Matt was atually standing at the 10 yard line, meaning from where he released the ball, it went up field for 35 yards.

On this play, Matt was standing in the middle of the field, so saying he threw the ball 35 yards is not right. A football field is 55 yards wide, so from where Matt was standing to the sideline was 27.5 yards. If we take this into account along with the 35 yard gain, we can determine how far the ball traveled in the air.

35^2 + 27.5^2
1225 + 756.25 = 1981.25
The square root of 1981.25 is 44.5

So for that pass, Matt delivered an absolute perfect strike that flew 44.5 yards in the air. Now take into account that this pass was not as far as Matt could throw it, but as far as it needed to travel and I think it becomes pretty clear that throwing the deep ball is not the problem. I think the problem lies with confidence, either Matt has lost confidence that he can deliver the deep ball or he has lost confidence that his receivers can make a play on the ball.

[cooperbh]

(10-10-2011 03:23 PM)Beef Wrote:  The bolded part is simply wrong. No, we certainly can blame Mularkey and the O-line for as long as they are sucking and causing the vast majority of the problems. It makes no sense to stop blaming the cause and point the finger at something that's a result of the problem instead.

Matty has no confidence in his O-line and it's causing him to be timid, have happy feet, be off on timing, be less accurate, stop checking progressions to run and/or roll out and toss it out of bounds. It's called fear. It makes you look and play much worse than you're capable of. And he's got every right to be fearful.

Mularkey's plays and play calling are fucking horrible. A dozen or so unique and unpredictable plays for good gains in the first half and then we don't run a single one of those plays again afterwards is a coaching problem.

And BVG's prevent conservative shit is beyond bad and takes away from the offense too. When you're pressing because you know your defense is hot garbage if you put them back on the field, you're even more susceptible to mistakes.

Matty has made all the plays to win before and put this team on his shoulders countless times and lead them to victory in several big games and a bunch of incredible come-backs. Now all of a sudden he's just said fuck it, this isn't important, I'm going to slack off, get worse at this and not be able to do it? No way is that the case. That's bullshit.

Nice false dilemma you've painted there. Sorry, but playing timid and making poor decisions during games has nothing to do with whether or not a player is a hard worker, or whether or not he has played well in games past. Just what in fuck's name are you talking about?

I was talking about the Matt Ryan of 2011. And the fact of the matter is that that Matt Ryan is not playing at a particularly high level right now. Certainly not at a level that would help get this team to the playoffs and beyond.

Again, the plays are there. When you have arguably the biggest Ryan supporter on the planet making statements along the lines of: "I watched the tape twenty times and still couldn't figure out why Ryan pulled the ball down and looked underneath instead of taking the wide open downfield shot," [paraphrased] then you know that the issues I speak of are real.

He needs to step up, plain and simple. The game changing plays he has been making of late are not the kind that win you ballgames.

[JDaveG]

(10-10-2011 04:40 PM)RFlagg Wrote:  I think the problem lies with confidence, either Matt has lost confidence that he can deliver the deep ball or he has lost confidence that his receivers can make a play on the ball.

Or he's being coached to only throw in certain situations. I know in the WCO, for example, you don't throw a "go" route unless the WR is even with or ahead of the corner and to the outside of the corner (i.e., if the corner has the sideline, you don't throw). So it's possible he's being coached not to throw the ball even where the play ends up with the receiver open (remember, he throws most of his passes before the receiver breaks).

[triggerman]

it has never been mularkey.

the plays work and they worked in the past. There is no question who it is. Ryan has limitations, and we have to deal with it.