Falcons: It's Not Mularkey, It's Ryan

[Paulitik]

(10-11-2011 06:16 PM)Radical Wrote:  I don't think it's unfair to say that Ryan needs to step it up right now. His biggest problems right now is his deep ball accuracy, not keeping his eyes down field enough, and getting happy feet. While this can be owed to the times he's been mauled thanks to poor protection, you can't use that as an excuse when the opportunities do present themselves and he fails to deliver.

Right now, we're simply kill ourselves with one thing from one place after another. If it isn't the line, it's drops, if it isn't Ryan missing on a deep throw, it's a stupid penalty. If our team can reign it in, I see no reason why we can't be the best team in the league offensively.

I don't think any reasonable person can disagree with this. What would Matt's numbers look like if Julio hadnt lined up on the LOS, if Clabo hadn't held Matthews on the long throw to Harry, if Harry held on to the ball going to the ground on the out, if Roddy doesn't drop the last pass and cause an INT? We wouldve had a great shot at winning this game.

I hate playing the shoulda woulda game, but you're right, we clean things up, and we have the players to be an elite Offense, no matter what our scheme.

[Beef]

(10-11-2011 06:16 PM)Radical Wrote:  I don't think it's unfair to say that Ryan needs to step it up right now. His biggest problems right now is his deep ball accuracy, not keeping his eyes down field enough, and getting happy feet. While this can be owed to the times he's been mauled thanks to poor protection, you can't use that as an excuse when the opportunities do present themselves and he fails to deliver.

Right now, we're simply kill ourselves with one thing from one place after another. If it isn't the line, it's drops, if it isn't Ryan missing on a deep throw, it's a stupid penalty. If our team can reign it in, I see no reason why we can't be the best team in the league offensively.

To the bolded part: Yes, you absolutely can. Why not????

Why is it so hard for you guys to accept that on every pass play where Matt is required to stand in the pocket for more than 2 seconds, he might just have it stuck in the back of his mind that his OL is going to fail him again and any instant now he's going to get blindsided and pummeled into the ground? And that this is causing him to release too early, be off balance and moving instead of planted, and alter his trajectory and accuracy?

You guys seem to think that he should be impervious to this type of stuff, but you're being so naive it's ridiculous.

Seriously, you guys make definitive statements like "you can't use that as an excuse", but then you give zero logical reasons why he is not allowed to be afraid and why he's not allowed to be effected by this clear lack of confidence he has in his OL keeping him safe.

And don't try to say he should just be tougher. He's by far one of the toughest QB's we've ever seen. Dude has been completely destroyed on many occasions and gotten right back up every time for 3 and a half straight years.

[RnB]

This thread delivers! Very entertaining posts by the MM detractors. Two Thumbs Up!

[cooperbh]

(10-11-2011 03:16 PM)Beef Wrote:  You're just not right in the head.

I clearly wasn't comparing anything Ryan has done to a plane crash. I gave you two examples of things that are out of your control. That's all they were and it was overwhelmingly obvious that's all they were. The fact you can't comprehend that simple bit of 1st grade context means you're just talking out your ass at this point and contradicting just for the sake of it.

Obviously there's no point continuing with you and this idiotic debate. Your unreasonable contentions, illogical assumptions, and ridiculous application of the concept of "personal responsibility" has gotten totally obnoxious.

Ryan is not perfect. Nobody is saying he is. He didn't slide 2 yards early because he's an idiot or he sucks at football. He's playing scared and timid because of something outside his control, period. All the damn signs are there supporting this.

The problem is, you started this asinine thread trying to place all the blame on Ryan and god forbid you retract it and admit maybe it's not all his fault, so instead you keep going on and on and on like a stubborn little kid.

Concession accepted.

[Radical]

(10-11-2011 07:22 PM)Beef Wrote:  And don't try to say he should just be tougher. He's by far one of the toughest QB's we've ever seen. Dude has been completely destroyed on many occasions and gotten right back up every time for 3 and a half straight years.

Yes, I can and will. Not saying he's not showing toughness, but if the opportunity is there, he has to take advantage of it.

[Beef]

(10-11-2011 08:12 PM)Radical Wrote:  Yes, I can and will. Not saying he's not showing toughness, but if the opportunity is there, he has to take advantage of it.

LOL yes I will say he's not tough enough but I'm not saying he's not tough enough.

Make up your mind.

And I'm sure you telling him he HAS to take advantage of opportunities is all it takes for him to forget his OL is garbage and get his confidense back. I mean you would know.

[Radical]

(10-11-2011 08:42 PM)Beef Wrote:  LOL yes I will say he's not tough enough but I'm not saying he's not tough enough.

Make up your mind.

And I'm sure you telling him he HAS to take advantage of opportunities is all it takes for him to forget his OL is garbage and get his confidense back. I mean you would know.

It isn't a question of toughness, just a matter of not letting pressure keep you rattled. You just can't do that in the NFL. The moment you start letting your clock hit 0 early in the NFL is when you're going to start under performing.

It's up to Ryan to perform when he's given the time and the receiver is open. If he doesn't follow through on that, then it cannot be blamed on anyone else. He has to reign himself in and try not to do too much. Like I said before, the moment he starts trying to compensate and rush to cover for his line, the moment his performance starts to suffer and we lose games.

[cooperbh]

(10-11-2011 05:04 PM)Paulitik Wrote:  I think the whole problem with this thread is the title implies that it's an either/or situation, as if the issue is either Mularkey or Ryan. In my opinion it's 80% Mularkey, 20% Ryan, some blame Ryan more.

We can bitch and moan all we want, but the Ryan haters, doubters, and just the guys like Coop who are starting to question Matt's ability, need to ask themselves, who are the Falcons more invested in? Matt Ryan or Mike Mularkey?

Sorry, but Matt Ryan is going no where, so whether it's all him, or not him at all, we know that of anybody in this organization right now, he is the least expendable. It's futile to question Ryan legitimacy as the starter of this team. and I'm not saying Coop is questioning it, but a lot around here are. I don't have any doubt that Matt Ryan knows he needs to improve, I'm just not sure we have the correct support system in place to help set him up for the success he is capable of. We need Mularkey to either adjust the scheme to get the most out of our talent, or get out of the way and let someone who does. Drew Brees was chased out of town, and then found a system that he thrived in. I don't want that happening to Matt. I want to see him become a great QB here.

I just wish Matt was given the leeway that Batrtkowski and Vick received, they had some horrible seasons before any one was jumping off their bandwagons, hell the Vick Bandwagon is still around. If Matt isn't succeeding, adjust or get him a coach who can help him find the success I know he's capable of.
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If there was any confusion as to what the title of this thread is referring, the first post should have made it crystal clear. If not, here it is again: The problem with Ryan is not Mularkey, it is Ryan.

Seriously, at what point do we stop treating Ryan like some fragile, developing rookie and start treating him like the four year vet that he is? The man has had opportunities to make plays recently and has simply not made them. It is an inescapable fact that needs to be pointed out.

Yes, we all know the various factors that have contributed to Ryan's gun shyness. That is irrelevant at this point. In his most recent game log, there is no asterisk next to his 53.6 passer rating that reads, "Oh, well his O-line played poorly earlier in the season and his OC's route designs are questionable." It will simply show that he stunk it up despite taking no sacks while playing against the 31st ranked pass defense.

The question is what is going to fix that today? 'Cause we sure as hell ain't getting a new O-line or a new OC this season. If Ryan is going to realize his potential this year, he and only he is the one who will have to make it happen.

So, what's it gonna be, Matt? Are you going to risk being great by standing in there and chucking it, or are you going to once again audible to the good ol' "RB Throwaway?"

[Beef]

(10-11-2011 09:20 PM)Radical Wrote:  It isn't a question of toughness, just a matter of not letting pressure keep you rattled. You just can't do that in the NFL. The moment you start letting your clock hit 0 early in the NFL is when you're going to start under performing.

It's up to Ryan to perform when he's given the time and the receiver is open. If he doesn't follow through on that, then it cannot be blamed on anyone else. He has to reign himself in and try not to do too much. Like I said before, the moment he starts trying to compensate and rush to cover for his line, the moment his performance starts to suffer and we lose games.

You can keep saying it all you like sitting there safe and snug in your ignorance, but until you stand in a passing pocket in the NFL with an offensive line that can't keep someone who wants to hurt you away for more than 3 seconds, you don't know what the fuck is the truth.

There's no logic or viable reasoning supporting your opinion. The only thing you have is that YOU believe he should stop being effected by outside mitigators and simply do it.

I'm not talking from opinion like you. I'm using logic. I see him with happy feet dancing around like someone anticipating a big hit. I see someone who has clearly been effected in a big way by an unnatural beat down in 3 short games to a degree that would make even the best QB's of all time rattled and lose confidence in their OL's ability to keep them safe.

So again, blaming him just because you demand he be impervious to fear and huge problems surrounding him does not make it so.

[Dale4Saul2Red0]

The fact that people keep talking about Ryan's deep ball as if that were one of the top 5 problems on this team is hilarious. Any kind of criticism towards his deep ball is so miniscule in the overall picture.