Falcons: It's Not Mularkey, It's Ryan

[Beef]

(10-11-2011 01:00 PM)cooperbh Wrote:  The fact that you're comparing things like Ryan's decision to slide short of the first down marker to the completely random act of an airplane falling out of the sky and crashing into someone's living room speaks volumes.

You simply don't believe in the concept of personal responsibility. I do. We'll just have to agree to disagree on that point.

You're just not right in the head.

I clearly wasn't comparing anything Ryan has done to a plane crash. I gave you two examples of things that are out of your control. That's all they were and it was overwhelmingly obvious that's all they were. The fact you can't comprehend that simple bit of 1st grade context means you're just talking out your ass at this point and contradicting just for the sake of it.

Obviously there's no point continuing with you and this idiotic debate. Your unreasonable contentions, illogical assumptions, and ridiculous application of the concept of "personal responsibility" has gotten totally obnoxious.

Ryan is not perfect. Nobody is saying he is. He didn't slide 2 yards early because he's an idiot or he sucks at football. He's playing scared and timid because of something outside his control, period. All the damn signs are there supporting this.

The problem is, you started this asinine thread trying to place all the blame on Ryan and god forbid you retract it and admit maybe it's not all his fault, so instead you keep going on and on and on like a stubborn little kid.

[Beef]

(10-11-2011 01:12 PM)cooperbh Wrote:  Something else to consider:

According to PFF, the Packers' O-line graded out with a -1.1 pass block rating on Sunday night. The Falcons' O-line graded out with a +1.7 pass block rating.

The Packers QB threw for 400 yards and 2 TDs, the Falcons QB threw for 160 yards and two INTs.

The O-line can't be blamed for this one.

Who gives a shit what the OL graded out this game. It's the 3 previous games where he got sacked 13 times and hit 16 times that's got him all messed up.

Dude, your argument has no reasonable support. He's playing scared because he's lost confidence in his OL and Mularkey has shit plays on top of calling predictable inconsistent schemes.

How you can possibly insist none of that matters and it's all just Ryan is insane.

[RnB]

(10-11-2011 03:58 PM)Beef Wrote:  Who gives a shit what the OL graded out this game. It's the 3 previous games where he got sacked 13 times and hit 16 times that's got him all messed up.

Dude, your argument has no reasonable support. He's playing scared because he's lost confidence in his OL and Mularkey has shit plays on top of calling predictable inconsistent schemes.

How you can possibly insist none of that matters and it's all just Ryan is insane.

I think you are assuming too much. Ryan is not playing scared. He is a professional and does his job well. His decision making has always been top notch on the football field and he rarely makes huge errors. He is an awesome quarterback and accusing him of playing scared is fucking ridiculous.

Whether he is the type of quarterback that can take lots of risks, rely on his teammates to bail him out every once in awhile, and put up monster numbers week in and week out remains to be seen.

Cooper is definitely pushing his point as hard as possible but this is not the first time Ryan has been accused of something. It happens every year and usually it makes no difference in the end. As the season goes on, we will have the pleasure of watching our QB mature more and perhaps make a huge leap in progression; especially if our OLine can keep getting better.

[Beef]

(10-11-2011 04:04 PM)RnB Wrote:  I think you are assuming too much. Ryan is not playing scared. He is a professional and does his job well. His decision making has always been top notch on the football field and he rarely makes huge errors. He is an awesome quarterback and accusing him of playing scared is fucking ridiculous.

Whether he is the type of quarterback that can take lots of risks, rely on his teammates to bail him out every once in awhile, and put up monster numbers week in and week out remains to be seen.

Cooper is definitely pushing his point as hard as possible but this is not the first time Ryan has been accused of something. It happens every year and usually it makes no difference in the end. As the season goes on, we will have the pleasure of watching our QB mature more and perhaps make a huge leap in progression; especially if our OLine can keep getting better.

Right, because he always use to have happy feet and call run audibles everytime he reads a blitz.

Oh wait, no he didn't.

He took 23 sacks and 30 hits spread over 16 games last season and he's taken more than half of that in 3 games this season and you don't think that's made him timid?

You people amaze me.

[RnB]

(10-11-2011 04:12 PM)Beef Wrote:  Right, because he always use to have happy feet and call run audibles everytime he reads a blitz.

Oh wait, no he didn't.

He took 23 sacks and 30 hits spread over 16 games last season and he's taken more than half of that in 3 games this season and you don't think that's made him timid?

You people amaze me.

You are still accusing our starting QB of playing scared. How is that any less offensive than saying Matt needs to step the fuck up? Its not.

However, you are assuming something about Matt's mental fortitude (which should never be questioned, based on what we have seen from him so far) while Cooper is simply saying he needs to take more risks and elevate his level of play. Yes, Matt has taken more shots this year than ever before but I do not think that is enough evidence to say he is scared of getting hit. These are professional athletes we are talking about. Matt has been taking hits nearly his entire life on the football field.

[Beef]

(10-11-2011 04:38 PM)RnB Wrote:  You are still accusing our starting QB of playing scared. How is that any less offensive than saying Matt needs to step the fuck up? Its not.

However, you are assuming something about Matt's mental fortitude (which should never be questioned, based on what we have seen from him so far) while Cooper is simply saying he needs to take more risks and elevate his level of play.

That's not nearly accurate.

Re-read coops original post in this thread and the title. There's only one way to interpret it. He's suggesting that Ryan has gotten worse at playing football and it's all his fault. No possible outside factors can be blamed, only Ryan. Which is nonsense.

Ryan isn't a cyborg robot and he's not perfect. Use your head for a second. I'll bet you a million fucking dollars that if you get slammed into the ground 29x in 3 games, it's going to have a bad effect on you. I don't care who you are. And to assume that Ryan must be impervious to this and that it's sacrilege to point it out is foolish homerism.

He works his ass off, yet he's gone from being cool, calm, and collected to dancing around like a rabbit and inaccurate. Now please explain how someone who works hard as hell at their job some how gets worse at that job if not for some other mitigating factors.

[Paulitik]

I think the whole problem with this thread is the title implies that it's an either/or situation, as if the issue is either Mularkey or Ryan. In my opinion it's 80% Mularkey, 20% Ryan, some blame Ryan more.

We can bitch and moan all we want, but the Ryan haters, doubters, and just the guys like Coop who are starting to question Matt's ability, need to ask themselves, who are the Falcons more invested in? Matt Ryan or Mike Mularkey?

Sorry, but Matt Ryan is going no where, so whether it's all him, or not him at all, we know that of anybody in this organization right now, he is the least expendable. It's futile to question Ryan legitimacy as the starter of this team. and I'm not saying Coop is questioning it, but a lot around here are. I don't have any doubt that Matt Ryan knows he needs to improve, I'm just not sure we have the correct support system in place to help set him up for the success he is capable of. We need Mularkey to either adjust the scheme to get the most out of our talent, or get out of the way and let someone who does. Drew Brees was chased out of town, and then found a system that he thrived in. I don't want that happening to Matt. I want to see him become a great QB here.

I just wish Matt was given the leeway that Batrtkowski and Vick received, they had some horrible seasons before any one was jumping off their bandwagons, hell the Vick Bandwagon is still around. If Matt isn't succeeding, adjust or get him a coach who can help him find the success I know he's capable of.
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[takeitdown]

(10-11-2011 05:04 PM)Paulitik Wrote:  I think the whole problem with this thread is the title implies that it's an either/or situation, as if the issue is either Mularkey or Ryan. In my opinion it's 80% Mularkey, 20% Ryan, some blame Ryan more.

We can bitch and moan all we want, but the Ryan haters, doubters, and just the guys like Coop who are starting to question Matt's ability, need to ask themselves, who are the Falcons more invested in? Matt Ryan or Mike Mularkey?

Sorry, but Matt Ryan is going no where, so whether it's all him, or not him at all, we know that of anybody in this organization right now, he is the least expendable. It's futile to question Ryan legitimacy as the starter of this team. and I'm not saying Coop is questioning it, but a lot around here are. I don't have any doubt that Matt Ryan knows he needs to improve, I'm just not sure we have the correct support system in place to help set him up for the success he is capable of. We need Mularkey to either adjust the scheme to get the most out of our talent, or get out of the way and let someone who does. Drew Brees was chased out of town, and then found a system that he thrived in. I don't want that happening to Matt. I want to see him become a great QB here.

I just wish Matt was given the leeway that Batrtkowski and Vick received, they had some horrible seasons before any one was jumping off their bandwagons, hell the Vick Bandwagon is still around. If Matt isn't succeeding, adjust or get him a coach who can help him find the success I know he's capable of.
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Yeah, I think a good way of looking at it is this:

Which would surprise you more...Ryan going to a team with a guy like Payton, and turning out to be a very very good QB with high ratings...

Or Mularkey going to a team and turning them into a top notch passing attack.

For me personally, despite my reservations about Ryan, I wouldn't be surprised to see him excel with a Payton type, whereas I would be utterly stunned to see a Mularkey offense nowadays with top passing marks.

[Paulitik]

(10-11-2011 05:26 PM)takeitdown Wrote:  Yeah, I think a good way of looking at it is this:

Which would surprise you more...Ryan going to a team with a guy like Payton, and turning out to be a very very good QB with high ratings...

Or Mularkey going to a team and turning them into a top notch passing attack.

For me personally, despite my reservations about Ryan, I wouldn't be surprised to see him excel with a Payton type, whereas I would be utterly stunned to see a Mularkey offense nowadays with top passing marks.

Exactly. As Falcons fans be careful what you wish for. How many reject Atlanta QBs have gone on to success? Favre, Vick, Schaub, to a lesser degree Mark Bulger.

I promise, the minute we let Matt Ryan go somewhere else, he becomes the HOF QB some other team has been looking for, and we end up screwed again.

[Radical]

I don't think it's unfair to say that Ryan needs to step it up right now. His biggest problems right now is his deep ball accuracy, not keeping his eyes down field enough, and getting happy feet. While this can be owed to the times he's been mauled thanks to poor protection, you can't use that as an excuse when the opportunities do present themselves and he fails to deliver.

Right now, we're simply kill ourselves with one thing from one place after another. If it isn't the line, it's drops, if it isn't Ryan missing on a deep throw, it's a stupid penalty. If our team can reign it in, I see no reason why we can't be the best team in the league offensively.