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Tigz · 12-28-2011, 11:23 PM

(12-28-2011 08:29 PM)Radical Wrote: Defense doesn't seem to be the problem with this team. Sure, they looked horrible last night, but that hasn't really been the norm for us all year. It's generally been our offense that has let us down.

I don't concur. I could also add we added a big piece to that offense costing us plenty and it still "let us down" kinda proves my point about the trade at this point in time doesn't it?

**papachaz** · 12-28-2011, 11:53 PM

(12-28-2011 08:29 PM)Radical Wrote: Defense doesn't seem to be the problem with this team. Sure, they looked horrible last night, but that hasn't really been the norm for us all year. It's generally been our offense that has let us down.

other than the INT's, what part of monday nights game defensively did NOT remind you of the playoff loss to GB? almost a whole year has gone by, changes were made, players added. we play an elite offense, playoff bound team, and our result is the same, a freaking blowout loss because we could NOT stop their offense. our defense has at times looked great. i realize we held NO and GB to below their season averages on points (NO first game) but other than that, who have we played that is a winning team that we have looked good against? seattle??? Houston (with a damn rookie third string qb)??? Philly????? hell we couldn't even beat the damn losing ass suckaneers.......

Tigz · 12-28-2011, 11:59 PM

(12-28-2011 11:53 PM)papachaz Wrote: other than the INT's, what part of monday nights game defensively did NOT remind you of the playoff loss to GB? almost a whole year has gone by, changes were made, players added. we play an elite offense, playoff bound team, and our result is the same, a freaking blowout loss because we could NOT stop their offense. our defense has at times looked great. i realize we held NO and GB to below their season averages on points (NO first game) but other than that, who have we played that is a winning team that we have looked good against? seattle??? Houston (with a damn rookie third string qb)??? Philly????? hell we couldn't even beat the damn losing ass suckaneers.......

Plus fucking 1000

Honestly I think we have some pretty good players on defense just one or two players off BUT we certainly need a new DC to bring it all together.

juraitwaluzka · 12-29-2011, 12:00 AM

(12-28-2011 11:59 PM)Tigz Wrote: Plus fucking 1000

Honestly I think we have some pretty good players on defense just one or two players off BUT we certainly need a new DC to bring it all together.

If we change the DC without also changing the scheme I don't think we'll see much difference.

Tigz · 12-29-2011, 12:04 AM

(12-29-2011 12:00 AM)juraitwaluzka Wrote: If we change the DC without also changing the scheme I don't think we'll see much difference.

No doubt, we need more risk reward schemes to get to the QB even top tiers QB can't get it done when they're running for there lives.

**Radical** · 12-29-2011, 12:19 AM

(12-28-2011 11:23 PM)Tigz Wrote: I don't concur. I could also add we added a big piece to that offense costing us plenty and it still "let us down" kinda proves my point about the trade at this point in time doesn't it?

Don't concur? Look at us all year, starting from week 5.

Green Bay - 34.4 PPG - 25 pts against us
Carolina - 25.9 PPG - 17 and 23 pts
Detroit - 28.9 PPG - 16 pts
Indianapolis - 15.3 PPG - 0 pts(Ryan's Pick-6 for their 7)
New Orleans - 33.5 PPG - 23 pts(In Regulation)
Tennessee - 20.1 PPG - 17 pts
Houston - 23.9 PPG - 17 pts
Jacksonville - 14.9 PPG - 7 pts(in garbage time against back-ups, other 7 off blocked punt)

Concerning the trade, our problem all year has been inconsistency(drops and penalties), and the offensive line. We weren't picking anyone with our given up picks that were going to fix the offensive line issue, and neither were they going to fix the out-of-the-blue failure by our defense against New Orleans this past Monday.

illmusic · 12-29-2011, 12:20 AM

(12-28-2011 11:20 PM)Tigz Wrote: I just never saw that WR was a postion of urgent need after last year even less an urgent one that made us sell the farm which we did to get one.

Defense for me was an obvious need, I find the only way to beat an elite QBs is with a pass rush a good example of this is when the Giants beat the 18-1 Pats/Brady in the Super Bowl. We have an OK defnese but when it comes to elite QBs the only way to counter that is with an elite pass rush.

I do realize it will take at least take 3 years to judge this trade if not more because of next year drafts. So far for me it hasn't worked out. I make a big deal about the trade for several reasons one of the major reason is the lose of depth. Look at how important depth was for GB last year.

Whatever we can talk again in several years.

we tried to address defense though...like I said, there was a plan in place. CJ was coming out as an FA, he wanted too much...considering we also went out and got depth at CB and safety, I can understand why they didn't want to put all their eggs into CJ's basket...then we have to pay Grimes next year...it wouldn't have been smart. so we settled for our 2nd option, and he hasn't panned out. there isn't much we can do about that other than gear up for next year. offense was a major problem last year. that Carolina game this year? we wouldn't have came back from that with our previous team. we can now manufacture big plays...people can't shade over to the right side of the field and take away our offense anymore. and this is an offense that will only grow. what were we going to get with the picks we gave away that would've been the production we were expecting from CJ and Ray Ray? like I said, this was a move for the long-term...our window isn't closing. if Edwards would've put on 8 sacks like he did in the past 2 years we most likely wouldn't be having this conversation

***phocis850*** · 12-29-2011, 12:26 AM

(12-28-2011 08:29 PM)Radical Wrote: Defense doesn't seem to be the problem with this team. Sure, they looked horrible last night, but that hasn't really been the norm for us all year. It's generally been our offense that has let us down.

I agree with Rad on this one. The D has been decent for most games this year, and has really kept us in many that the O simply was trying to lose. Also, if you look at the stats, we've been killing it on run D. And most of the big plays against us were blown tackles or players being out of position.

Templar · 12-29-2011, 01:28 AM

Aside from OL and DT, I don't see many holes personnel wise on this team. Yes, they got spanked. It can happen to anybody, and it's a similar situation as to what occurred in the playoffs last year. A game that's a shoot out and can go either way for a while gets out of hand after two or three plays change the balance.

From what I've seen out of Julio Jones so far, I think he will, barring injury, become the most feared receiver in the league within 5 years. He is a total package, size, speed, and work ethic. I do not feel like TD mortgaged the future of the team on that pick and anyone who says that at this point is simply talking out of their ass. We have no idea what will develop from this. Everyone knew after last season that the team needed a reliable weapon to stretch defenses. Roddy is great, but that is not his game. Tony can't do it anymore, though he is still a fantastic weapon in the middle of the field. Could they have gotten someone later that could stretch the field? Sure. Could they have gotten someone with the tools and talent to be the next Terrell Owens or Randy Moss? No.

Tigz · 12-29-2011, 07:37 AM

(12-29-2011 01:28 AM)Templar Wrote: Aside from OL and DT, I don't see many holes personnel wise on this team. Yes, they got spanked. It can happen to anybody, and it's a similar situation as to what occurred in the playoffs last year. A game that's a shoot out and can go either way for a while gets out of hand after two or three plays change the balance.

From what I've seen out of Julio Jones so far, I think he will, barring injury, become the most feared receiver in the league within 5 years. He is a total package, size, speed, and work ethic. I do not feel like TD mortgaged the future of the team on that pick and anyone who says that at this point is simply talking out of their ass. We have no idea what will develop from this. Everyone knew after last season that the team needed a reliable weapon to stretch defenses. Roddy is great, but that is not his game. Tony can't do it anymore, though he is still a fantastic weapon in the middle of the field. Could they have gotten someone later that could stretch the field? Sure. Could they have gotten someone with the tools and talent to be the next Terrell Owens or Randy Moss? No.

How can you be so sure about JJ ? TD mortgage the future ? maybe maybe not like I said it will take at least 3 years if not more to see if JJ pans out compared to the other picks we could of had if we didn't make the trade. I also don't agree about "everyone knew" we needed a WR last year? I don't agree what we needed was a pass rush just like we need one now.

Our MO last year was long time consuming punch in your mouth run and medium to short passes offense. It worked, that's what we were. That's how the team was built. The problem was when elite teams came in and started to put big points on us. So they figured we get another WR to counter that. So we can put the big points too. I saw it the other way around, get a better defense to limit those elite QBs of putting up the big points so we can stay within our game plan on offense.

In other words DON'T counter another teams strength by trying to be like them but counter those teams but limiting there strengths so you can stay within your strength.