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**papachaz** · 03-02-2012, 06:57 PM

(03-02-2012 02:26 PM)RFlagg Wrote: Since we seem to rarely use the franchise tag (this was just the 2nd time we've used it), I decided to look up more info on it. Turns out, there are 2 types of franchise tag.

Exclusive
An exclusive franchise player tag means the club has full negotiating rights with that player and the player can't talk with another club. The team must offer a player a 20 percent increase over his previous year's salary, an equal to or greater salary than the average of the five highest paid players at that player's position at the conclusion of the restricted free agent signing period (April 15) or an equal to or greater salary than the average of the five highest paid players at that players position the previous year, whichever total is greatest.

Non-exclusive
Non-exclusive franchise players may listen to offers from other teams, but the player's original team has the right to match any offer. If the original team allows a non-exclusive free agent to sign elsewhere, it gets two first-round draft choices as compensation. The conditions for designating this tag are the same as designating an exclusive franchise player, except the team does not have to match the average salary of the top five position players at the tagged player's position at the end of the restricted free agent signing period. Hypothetically, this type of franchise player would be cheaper to keep than an exclusive one. A non-exclusive franchise player may negotiate with other NFL teams, but if he signs an offer sheet from another team, the original team has a right to match the terms of that offer, or if it does not match the offer and thus loses the player, is entitled to receive two first-round draft picks as compensation.

Most likely, this will be a non-exclusive franchise tag, which will keep teams away. However, just think if he does end up leaving anyway. I'd be willing to trade Grimes for 2 first round picks any day of the week.

you're damned straight i would!!!!

i know i'm in the minority, but when i read they franchised him, i cringed. i just don't think he's worth 10.8 million, go ahead and flame away,i don't care, i'm entitled to my opinion

FullMetalFalcon23 · 03-02-2012, 07:03 PM

(03-02-2012 06:57 PM)papachaz Wrote: you're damned straight i would!!!!

i know i'm in the minority, but when i read they franchised him, i cringed. i just don't think he's worth 10.8 million, go ahead and flame away,i don't care, i'm entitled to my opinion

I'm in the same camp as you dude. I'd rather get the new players. I'm more and more fed up of baggage this situation carries with it. And if Brent does stick his feet in and not sign I'd rather not have him back. Again a team will have superstars but we don't need self centred divas or people with those types hanging off of them.

Anomaly · 03-02-2012, 07:04 PM

I don't understand all the angst over the $10.8 mil price to tag Grimes. It's essentially a one year deal and it in no way cripples the team to make moves now or down the road. Plus it more likely that this is just a place holder until we work out a long term deal with him.

FullMetalFalcon23 · 03-02-2012, 07:22 PM

I'm not so bent out of the shape with him having the money so much as it is a case that he may not sign the tender. I know it's a negotiation but the bullshit is fucking with other things. I know we should have signed him up in 2010. But for one reason or another there was a drop off in his play this year and if we bring him back for that much money then he needs to play like he is earning it rather than earned it.

**papachaz** · 03-02-2012, 07:58 PM

it's not angst on my part by any means, i just don't think he's worth it any more than DRob is worth what we're paying for him, or Baker or Jerry, etc....i'm just tired of seeing this team overpay for people. Now, i DO know that grimes level of play is higher (not counting his UPS) than those 3 added together, but i just don't think dude is worth over 5 or 6 million a year

oh yeah, the three kinds of lies,

lies
damned lies
stats

from what i saw on the field last year, his level of play wasn't the same level we'd seen the previous 2 years

juraitwaluzka · 03-02-2012, 10:12 PM

I wonder how much of the "we won't sign" is agent vs Grimes vs the bitch. If it's the agent, ok, fine it's just posturing. If it's the bitch, wouldn't be surprised. If it's Grimes then he truly is a fool and deserves a nice knee injury before he signs anything.

Paprika Neck · 03-02-2012, 10:55 PM

I'd be willing to trade grimes for less than that

***phocis850*** · 03-03-2012, 12:31 AM

(03-02-2012 07:58 PM)papachaz Wrote: it's not angst on my part by any means, i just don't think he's worth it any more than DRob is worth what we're paying for him, or Baker or Jerry, etc....i'm just tired of seeing this team overpay for people. Now, i DO know that grimes level of play is higher (not counting his UPS) than those 3 added together, but i just don't think dude is worth over 5 or 6 million a year

oh yeah, the three kinds of lies,

lies
damned lies
stats

from what i saw on the field last year, his level of play wasn't the same level we'd seen the previous 2 years

I agree, he regressed.
However, tagging him for one year to hold the fort is worth it over hoping for the best in a multi year deal. If his knees go out, he is worthless.

FullMetalFalcon23 · 03-03-2012, 07:40 PM

For all the things I know about football a particular gap in my understanding is what happens if Grimes does not sign the tender. Can he sign an offer sheet elsewhere? I understand we likely have compensation somewhere but if some could explain the situation I would appreciate it. As the way I see it currently without us being compensated for his loss somehow Grimes will either play for us or not at all this year. If so is that money actually tied up with him or could it go elsewhere. I can't see where a player can do anything but refuse to sign and run the risk of sitting out a whole year. But at the same time surely the team can't be penalised with his salary? I find it confusing.

Anomaly · (This post was last modified: 03-03-2012 07:54 PM by Anomaly.)

(03-03-2012 07:40 PM)FullMetalFalcon23 Wrote: For all the things I know about football a particular gap in my understanding is what happens if Grimes does not sign the tender. Can he sign an offer sheet elsewhere? I understand we likely have compensation somewhere but if some could explain the situation I would appreciate it. As the way I see it currently without us being compensated for his loss somehow Grimes will either play for us or not at all this year. If so is that money actually tied up with him or could it go elsewhere. I can't see where a player can do anything but refuse to sign and run the risk of sitting out a whole year. But at the same time surely the team can't be penalised with his salary? I find it confusing.

Well it depends on whether we put the exclusive or non-exclusive franchise tag on him.

If we put the exclusive tag on him he can't talk to other teams and if he doesn't sign the tender he's essentially holding out, so he won't get paid.

If we put the non-exclusive tag on him he can negotiate with other teams and we have the right to match any offer, if we decide not to match the offer we get two 1st round draft picks from the team he signs with.

EDIT:
Also it is standard procedure for the player not to sign the tender right away while the player and team try to work out a deal. If they can't come up with a deal by camp they'll normally sign it and play out the year.

And the franchise tag doesn't hit the cap until the player signs the tender.