Falcons: Cool inside info on the Julio trade

[Anomaly]

Here is a link to the book that's from if you're interested.

http://www.amazon.com/War-Room-Belichick...414&sr=8-1

And here is a link to the free download of the eBook if you're cheap like me.

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/6812641/...chick_Epub

[Beef]

Here's the rookie receiving comparisons for the season through this week:

1. AJ Green: 19th - 9 games, 41/68/635, 15.5 avg, 6 td, 58 long, 12 20+, 158 yac, 2 100+ yard games, 13 yards rushing
2. Torrey Smith: 24th - 8 games, 31/53/613, 19.8 avg, 5 td, 74 long, 11 20+, 139 yac, 2 100+ yard games, 26 yards rushing
3. Julio Jones: 43rd - 7 games, 30/51/498, 16.6 avg, 2 td, 80 long, 7 20+, 228 yac, 3 100+ yard games, 41 yards rushing
4. Greg Little: 64th - 10 games, 42/74/438, 10.4 avg, 0 td, 52 long, 4 20+, 137 yac, 0 100+ yard games, 2 yards rushing
5. Denarius Moore: 72nd - 9 games, 24/49/410, 17.1 avg, 4 td, 50 long, 9 20+, 63 yac, 2 100+ yard games, 45 yards rushing
6. Titus Young: 85th - 8 games, 29/52/376, 13.0 avg, 2 td, 43 long, 3 20+, 55 yac, 0 100+ yard games, 0 yards rushing
7. Greg Salas: 119th - 6 games, 27/38/264, 9.8 avg, 0 td, 21 long, 2 20+, 227 yac, 0 100+ yard games, 8 yards rushing
8. Randall Cobb: 124th - 9 games, 17/20/255, 15.0 avg, 1 td, 61 long, 2 20+, 120 yac, 0 100+ yard games, 1 yard rushing
9. Roy Helu: 138th
10. Vincent Brown: 139th
11. Lance Kendricks: 142nd
12. Jeremy Kerley: 154th
13. DeMarco Murray: 156th
14. Kyle Rudolph: 156th
15. Dane Sanzenbacher: 158th
16. Leonard Hankerson: 165th - 3 games, 13/20/163, 12.5 avg, 0 td, 23 long, 2 20+, 41 yac, 1 100+ yard games, 0 yards rushing
17. Jon Baldwin: 179th - 5 games, 11/29/139, 12.6 avg, 1 td, 39 long, 1 20+, 14 yac, 0 100+ yard games, 0 yards rushing
18. Austin Pettis: 185th

[ggp]

(11-27-2011 02:38 AM)atljbo Wrote:  I disagree... I agree the guy is talented.... I liked Baldwin and wanted us to draft him with our late first round pick if we went WR...

Saying that.. He missed a couple of games earlier in the season because he and Thomas Jones got in a locker room fight and he broke his hands (character concerns cant be excluded) ...

The main reason i disagree is because of how we are using Julio and what he brings... Both are big physical WR's... Baldwin has build up speed.. You have to get him going to see his speed... Julio can take a 5 yard slant the distance... Dude is big and physical with burning speed.


Also.. im basing everything on the Hoodies comments



I like Baldwin tho... I would have been happy with him if we drafted him... I would have still admitted that A.J Green and Julio Jones were better prospects tho

Don't get me wrong. I am happy to have JJ on our team. The long term benefits of a player with JJ's character far outweigh a lesser man. I am simply saying that the early returns on investment favor Baldwin. JJ suffers, in comparison, due to the number of valuable draft picks it cost to get him. In time, Dimitroff will be vindicated for making his move. I fully expect Baldwin to implode before his next contract.

For the record, I favored the drafting of Torrey Smith late in the first round. Smith will be a good WR and has impeccable character traits. That being said, JJ is clearly the better football player and has a much higher ceiling. JJ has the ability to become a star #1 WR (the center piece of an entire offensive attack) while Smith will likely become a threat as a complimentary player.

[Beef]

Baldwin has been available for 5 games this season and only has 11 receptions on 29 targets for 139 yards, of which only 14 have come after the catch.

On top of that, he was suspended for fighting with a teamate. So I'm REALLY not getting how any of you has one single possitive word about the guy. He's clearly not even in the same realm of the universe as Julio.

[atljbo]

(11-27-2011 10:50 AM)Beef Wrote:  Here's the rookie receiving comparisons for the season through this week:

1. AJ Green: 19th - 9 games, 41/68/635, 15.5 avg, 6 td, 58 long, 12 20+, 158 yac, 2 100+ yard games, 13 yards rushing
2. Torrey Smith: 24th - 8 games, 31/53/613, 19.8 avg, 5 td, 74 long, 11 20+, 139 yac, 2 100+ yard games, 26 yards rushing
3. Julio Jones: 43rd - 7 games, 30/51/498, 16.6 avg, 2 td, 80 long, 7 20+, 228 yac, 3 100+ yard games, 41 yards rushing
4. Greg Little: 64th - 10 games, 42/74/438, 10.4 avg, 0 td, 52 long, 4 20+, 137 yac, 0 100+ yard games, 2 yards rushing
5. Denarius Moore: 72nd - 9 games, 24/49/410, 17.1 avg, 4 td, 50 long, 9 20+, 63 yac, 2 100+ yard games, 45 yards rushing
6. Titus Young: 85th - 8 games, 29/52/376, 13.0 avg, 2 td, 43 long, 3 20+, 55 yac, 0 100+ yard games, 0 yards rushing
7. Greg Salas: 119th - 6 games, 27/38/264, 9.8 avg, 0 td, 21 long, 2 20+, 227 yac, 0 100+ yard games, 8 yards rushing
8. Randall Cobb: 124th - 9 games, 17/20/255, 15.0 avg, 1 td, 61 long, 2 20+, 120 yac, 0 100+ yard games, 1 yard rushing
9. Roy Helu: 138th
10. Vincent Brown: 139th
11. Lance Kendricks: 142nd
12. Jeremy Kerley: 154th
13. DeMarco Murray: 156th
14. Kyle Rudolph: 156th
15. Dane Sanzenbacher: 158th
16. Leonard Hankerson: 165th - 3 games, 13/20/163, 12.5 avg, 0 td, 23 long, 2 20+, 41 yac, 1 100+ yard games, 0 yards rushing
17. Jon Baldwin: 179th - 5 games, 11/29/139, 12.6 avg, 1 td, 39 long, 1 20+, 14 yac, 0 100+ yard games, 0 yards rushing
18. Austin Pettis: 185th

torrey smith is on game 9

[atljbo]

(11-27-2011 10:54 AM)ggp Wrote:  Don't get me wrong. I am happy to have JJ on our team. The long term benefits of a player with JJ's character far outweigh a lesser man. I am simply saying that the early returns on investment favor Baldwin. JJ suffers, in comparison, due to the number of valuable draft picks it cost to get him. In time, Dimitroff will be vindicated for making his move. I fully expect Baldwin to implode before his next contract.

For the record, I favored the drafting of Torrey Smith late in the first round. Smith will be a good WR and has impeccable character traits. That being said, JJ is clearly the better football player and has a much higher ceiling. JJ has the ability to become a star #1 WR (the center piece of an entire offensive attack) while Smith will likely become a threat as a complimentary player.

I wanted Torrey Smith if we traded back into the early 2nd round... The guy has speed to kill but he is more of a #2 WR... If we stayed at our regular spot i wanted Baldwin... The guy has Vincent Jackson type ceiling (if he keeps jis head on straight) ... I just feel like Julio Jones has T.O type ceiling but faster and a lil less drops

[ggp]

(11-27-2011 11:24 AM)Beef Wrote:  Baldwin has been available for 5 games this season and only has 11 receptions on 29 targets for 139 yards, of which only 14 have come after the catch.

On top of that, he was suspended for fighting with a teamate. So I'm REALLY not getting how any of you has one single possitive word about the guy. He's clearly not even in the same realm of the universe as Julio.

Baldwin in our offense, playing with our QB, RB and companion WR's, could be putting up similar numbers to JJ. Once again, I am not saying that Baldwin is equal nor superior, just pointing out that he has shown uncommon talent and could have been a good choice later in this draft.

I like JJ and I see him as the future star of this offense. I just see potential in Baldwin, as well as Smith and Cobb. I think it is important to recognize rookie talent.

[Paprika Neck]

julio needs to get his butt in the games

[Dale4Saul2Red0]

(11-27-2011 11:54 AM)atljbo Wrote:  I wanted Torrey Smith if we traded back into the early 2nd round... The guy has speed to kill but he is more of a #2 WR... If we stayed at our regular spot i wanted Baldwin... The guy has Vincent Jackson type ceiling (if he keeps jis head on straight) ... I just feel like Julio Jones has T.O type ceiling but faster and a lil less drops

I wanted Torrey Smith at the right price but he is slowly reminding me of Lee Evans. If he doesn't catch the deep ball, he becomes a non factor in the game plan. Julio can catch the deep ball but he can also be effective in other areas of the game as a WR.

Much more complete WR.

[mdrake34]

(11-27-2011 01:20 PM)Dale4Saul2Red0 Wrote:  I wanted Torrey Smith at the right price but he is slowly reminding me of Lee Evans. If he doesn't catch the deep ball, he becomes a non factor in the game plan. Julio can catch the deep ball but he can also be effective in other areas of the game as a WR.

Much more complete WR.

This. Lee Evans is also currently being a non-factor on the Ravens because, you guessed, he's not catching the deep ball.

Frankly I'm tired of the whole JJ/AJ debate, but not unlike Tebow, this story isn't going away any time soon.