Falcons: Any word on Kerry Meier?

[phalcon phil]

(06-30-2011 06:17 PM)Beef Wrote:  It's irrelevant talking about Jenkins in the slot, he won't be on the roster unless another receiver has an injury.

That said, if he were still on the team, he'd be fine in the slot as he'd be a huge coverage mismatch for LB's over the middle. Who gives a crap about speed and cutting. Gonzo and every other successful TE in the league who catches balls over the middle aren't known for speed and agility. It's about mismatched coverage.

you really think hd will make it before jenks? based on what?

[Beef]

(06-30-2011 06:20 PM)phalcon phil Wrote:  you really think hd will make it before jenks? based on what?

Based on a $3.5 million dollar contract vs. a $400k contract, age, and the fact Jenks plays zero ST's while HD can KR.

We need cap space to sign a bunch of FA's this year and a bunch next year too along with paying Ryan a huge bonus he is supposed to get this year.

And, we only dress 45 for games and 11 of those guys need to play ST's and not all of them can be backup linemen and certainly won't be expensive starters.

[phalcon phil]

(06-30-2011 06:27 PM)Beef Wrote:  Based on a $3.5 million dollar contract vs. a $400k contract, age, and the fact Jenks plays zero ST's while HD can KR.

We need cap space to sign a bunch of FA's this year and a bunch next year too along with paying Ryan a huge bonus he is supposed to get this year.

And, we only dress 45 for games and 11 of those guys need to play ST's and not all of them can be backup linemen and certainly won't be expensive starters.

i can see it from that point, but I still think Jenks is a better option than meier or hd at this point in time. its too bad he holds no trade value whatsoever it would be nice to get something in return. it's too early to tell. if hd or meier have a bad camp i doubt we let jenkins go to keep fingers crossed for some maybes.

[Jayhawk-Falcon2012]

I'd like to see it be Roddy Julio and Jenkins, plus having Gonzo in makes the receivers tall and tough for most Corners to cover. HD I'm hoping does come back strong during camp and will actually be back to where he was before the injury, but can't say till everything with the NFL gets squared away.

With K.M I'd really like to see him play actually, if anything. very similar to Fin (I think most would agree) but with better hands.

[cooperbh]

(06-30-2011 01:07 PM)phocis850 Wrote:  How in the HELL can someone make that statement and think logically?
You clearly have an agenda against Jenkins. I'm not claiming him as a glorified king, I'm just claiming that he IS better because he catches the balls. Miscues or not, Ryan and Jenkins have a special connection. Ryan knows where Jenkins needs to be and Jenkins somehow gets there. He may not be the fastest or best suited for the slot position, however, IMO he is the best player for that position until the unproven HD and Meier can step up. In this case experience wins hands down.

Sheesh. Think you may be overreacting just a bit?

First off, I've always defended Jenkins as more than adequate for the role he has been asked to assume in this offense. Just ask Peyton if you don't believe me. If last season we had had a fully healthy 2008 version of HD and a younger, more athletic Gonzo both effectively working underneath, as well as an O-line that could give Ryan time to go deep, I believe Jenkins would have been more of a factor and I doubt we would have even considered spending this year's first round pick and then some on a transcendent type WR to play across from Roddy.

Second, take a look at the list of WRs who took the most slot snaps in 2010, according to PFF:

1 Jason Avant PHI 622
2 Hines Ward PIT 606
3t Jordan Shipley CIN 566
3t Anquan Boldin BLT 566
5 Danny Amendola SL 561
6 Donald Driver GB 520
7 Eddie Royal DEN 495
8 Marques Colston NO 484
9 Wes Welker NE 472
10 Jerricho Cotchery NYJ 455
11 Nate Burleson DET 449
12 Miles Austin DAL 439
13 Mike Thomas JAX 430
14 Blair White IND 429
15 Earl Bennett CHI 411

Now, of those fifteen WRs, how many are tall enough to hit the 6'1" mark on the wall chart? How many tip the scales at 211 lbs or higher? If you said "two," you are correct. Of those two, how many are long striders with limited athleticism and an aversion to fighting for the ball in the air. If you said "zero," you are again correct.

It doesn't matter if Jenkins has "sticky" fingers, as someone earlier referred to his catching ability (I prefer to call it "inconsistent," myself. See Falcons @ Giants, November 2009.) Jenkins simply doesn't have the quickness to get open in small spaces - even against linebackers - and doesn't have the agility, strength and/or will to come down with the tough catches when he is covered.

Saying that Jenkins would be an effective slot receiver because he can catch is like saying that Tyson Clabo would be an effective 3rd down running back because he can pass block.

And you presume to speak of questionable logic.

[cooperbh]

(06-30-2011 06:27 PM)Beef Wrote:  Based on a $3.5 million dollar contract vs. a $400k contract, age, and the fact Jenks plays zero ST's while HD can KR.

We need cap space to sign a bunch of FA's this year and a bunch next year too along with paying Ryan a huge bonus he is supposed to get this year.

And, we only dress 45 for games and 11 of those guys need to play ST's and not all of them can be backup linemen and certainly won't be expensive starters.

The question is can Meier or some street FA effectively backup Julio at the flanker positon? I don't know that this FO would be willing to risk the answer being "no" to that question.

Barring Meier completely tearing it up in camp and preseason - and that includes in the blocking department, as well - I think TD & Co. will be willing to overpay a bit for the quality depth that Jenkins brings to the table. Especially if the new CBA dictates that teams are required to max out their salary caps each year.

[Radical]

(07-01-2011 01:48 PM)cooperbh Wrote:  Sheesh. Think you may be overreacting just a bit?

First off, I've always defended Jenkins as more than adequate for the role he has been asked to assume in this offense. Just ask Peyton if you don't believe me. If last season we had had a fully healthy 2008 version of HD and a younger, more athletic Gonzo both effectively working underneath, as well as an O-line that could give Ryan time to go deep, I believe Jenkins would have been more of a factor and I doubt we would have even considered spending this year's first round pick and then some on a transcendent type WR to play across from Roddy.

Second, take a look at the list of WRs who took the most slot snaps in 2010, according to PFF:

1 Jason Avant PHI 622
2 Hines Ward PIT 606
3t Jordan Shipley CIN 566
3t Anquan Boldin BLT 566
5 Danny Amendola SL 561
6 Donald Driver GB 520
7 Eddie Royal DEN 495
8 Marques Colston NO 484
9 Wes Welker NE 472
10 Jerricho Cotchery NYJ 455
11 Nate Burleson DET 449
12 Miles Austin DAL 439
13 Mike Thomas JAX 430
14 Blair White IND 429
15 Earl Bennett CHI 411

Now, of those fifteen WRs, how many are tall enough to hit the 6'1" mark on the wall chart? How many tip the scales at 211 lbs or higher? If you said "two," you are correct. Of those two, how many are long striders with limited athleticism and an aversion to fighting for the ball in the air. If you said "zero," you are again correct.

It doesn't matter if Jenkins has "sticky" fingers, as someone earlier referred to his catching ability (I prefer to call it "inconsistent," myself. See Falcons @ Giants, November 2009.) Jenkins simply doesn't have the quickness to get open in small spaces - even against linebackers - and doesn't have the agility, strength and/or will to come down with the tough catches when he is covered.

Saying that Jenkins would be an effective slot receiver because he can catch is like saying that Tyson Clabo would be an effective 3rd down running back because he can pass block.

And you presume to speak of questionable logic.

Earned a +1 from me, and that doesn't come often.

[illmusic]

(07-01-2011 01:48 PM)cooperbh Wrote:  Sheesh. Think you may be overreacting just a bit?

First off, I've always defended Jenkins as more than adequate for the role he has been asked to assume in this offense. Just ask Peyton if you don't believe me. If last season we had had a fully healthy 2008 version of HD and a younger, more athletic Gonzo both effectively working underneath, as well as an O-line that could give Ryan time to go deep, I believe Jenkins would have been more of a factor and I doubt we would have even considered spending this year's first round pick and then some on a transcendent type WR to play across from Roddy.

Second, take a look at the list of WRs who took the most slot snaps in 2010, according to PFF:

1 Jason Avant PHI 622
2 Hines Ward PIT 606
3t Jordan Shipley CIN 566
3t Anquan Boldin BLT 566
5 Danny Amendola SL 561
6 Donald Driver GB 520
7 Eddie Royal DEN 495
8 Marques Colston NO 484
9 Wes Welker NE 472
10 Jerricho Cotchery NYJ 455
11 Nate Burleson DET 449
12 Miles Austin DAL 439
13 Mike Thomas JAX 430
14 Blair White IND 429
15 Earl Bennett CHI 411

Now, of those fifteen WRs, how many are tall enough to hit the 6'1" mark on the wall chart? How many tip the scales at 211 lbs or higher? If you said "two," you are correct. Of those two, how many are long striders with limited athleticism and an aversion to fighting for the ball in the air. If you said "zero," you are again correct.

It doesn't matter if Jenkins has "sticky" fingers, as someone earlier referred to his catching ability (I prefer to call it "inconsistent," myself. See Falcons @ Giants, November 2009.) Jenkins simply doesn't have the quickness to get open in small spaces - even against linebackers - and doesn't have the agility, strength and/or will to come down with the tough catches when he is covered.

Saying that Jenkins would be an effective slot receiver because he can catch is like saying that Tyson Clabo would be an effective 3rd down running back because he can pass block.

And you presume to speak of questionable logic.

hmmmm...surprised Anquan took a lot of snaps on the inside...but I guess when Hooshyourmama came in, he would be better utilized on the outside

[cooperbh]

(07-02-2011 10:35 AM)Radical Wrote:  Earned a +1 from me, and that doesn't come often.

[cooperbh]

(07-02-2011 12:03 PM)illmusic Wrote:  hmmmm...surprised Anquan took a lot of snaps on the inside...but I guess when Hooshyourmama came in, he would be better utilized on the outside

Boldin has never really been a player who lines up consistently in one place. He'll line up on the inside, on the outside, in the backfield... and that's before he goes in motion.