FORGET "ICE", He's Matty "ELITE" Ryan (link included)

[Swift Is a Die Hard]

Go back and look at the games Tandy that Ryan 100, QB rating im willing to bet that most of the games are where Turner ran for over 100 yards ..Its a double edge sword it works both ways .. The QB opens up the field for the running game and the running game opens up the play action and loads the box . As for most part we relied on Turner more then Ryan ..WE ARE STILL A RUN TEAM FIRST ..No one is saying Turner is the leader our QB is the leader that is in most NFL franchise the QB is supposed to be a leader. Who is saying Ryan aint a leader please dont misinterpret my words please ..Turner is just as valuable imo
17-2 loss shows that and the other 1 loss came in the game where Turner had 100 yards rushing in first half then was injured in car game if memory serves correct

How is the playoff win argument assine is beyond me ..Lets wait and see how Ryan performs in playoffs before we put him in elite. Flacco right now has more playoff wins and SIMILAR STATS so then he is ELITE ? cmon man .. Now most homers will say well the Ravens defense helped Flacco get him those wins and those are the words of a homer and not a realistic fan ... same can be said with Eli Manning his defense lead him in playoffs but Manning stepped up in clutch time and made some throws..


LIKE I SAID THE ELITE QBS IN LEAGUE - LETS KEEP UP

1)Brady ...................stats & super bowl
2)Manning................stats & super bowl
3)Brees ....................stats & super bowl
4)Big Ben ....................stats & super bowl
5)Rivers ......................stats & wins & playoff wins ..


Now how can you put Ryan in that group based on so far his production when im not even putting Eli Manning in elite group when he has stats & super bowl and playoff wins ..Eli Manning is in the next level below where Ryan is and where Rodgers is


Lets be real and put those realistic glasses on most NFL analyst/scouts would take Aaron Rodgers over Ryan as well He has all the physical tools and intangibles ..

next level of QBS

Eli Manning
Rodgers
Ryan
Flacco
Vick .....shit Vick lead us to a couple of playoff wins ...he has the wins as well
he lead us to playoffs 2 of his first 3 years STARTING ...was he ELITE ? F NO



Then there are QBS who put up meaningless numbers/stats

Schaub
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