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**Tandy** · (This post was last modified: 12-21-2010 06:32 AM by Tandy.)

(12-21-2010 01:05 AM)Swift Is a Die Hard Wrote: Your memory is short lived then if you cant remember
08' Tampa game Ryan was pretty bad but Turner carried us on his back to a important win think he ran for over 150+ yards ...Not sure if you remember or were a fan in 08'

09' Wash game ... Turner on his back ..

THINK WE ARE 16-1 WHEN TURNER RUNS FOR 100 YARDS

So as much as you want to put Ryan into that ELITE status he simply he not , there is a thing about being a flat out homer and being realistic coop . Ryan is special and he has a chance to be a elite and GREAT but at this moment he just is not that yet

and Ryan is not in top 5 in any Category .. Passer Rating/TDS/ Yards .
again how is Ryan elite when he also has not lead us to any playoff wins ..

Im the same dude that didnt put Brees in top tier cause he only won 1 up until last years run
I would put Ryan with the next group of QBS ..

Brady
Manning
Brees
Rivers
Big Ben ..

next level ...if someone is to say Eli Manning is a better QB then Ryan is how can you not argue he isnt ? Manning help lead Giants to a Bowl..
I think Ryan is better then Flacco but Flacco has help lead his Ravens to some playoff wins ..Flacco needs to take next step in development .

Aaron Rodgers is a better QB then Ryan imo ...looks and stats ..but he needs to take next step to be considered elite

For the record - Falcons are =

17-2 when Turner rushes for 100 yards (89.5%)
12-9 when Turner rushes for less than 100 yards (57.1%)
5-3 when Turner doesn't start (62.5%)

13-0 when Ryan has a QB rating of 100 or over (100%)
17-10 when Ryan has a QB rating of less than 100 (62.9%)
0-2 when Ryan doesn't start (0%)

Your opinions are noted and are as valuable as everyone elses - but the facts do not indicate that Turner is more valuable than Ryan. We still have a winning record with or without Turner - we do not without Ryan. We do not lose when Ryan has a QB rating above 100 - we have lost when Turner has rushed for over 100. I love Turner and I happen to think he's elite as well - but the facts do not bear out that Turner is more valuable to the team than Ryan. I believe they are equally important personally, and are both Falcons. What they do complements the other and they work together as a team as they should. But, make no mistake - to a man on the team they would agree - Ryan is the leader of this team - not Turner.

Bottom line - our team is a team.

Our QB is our QB so whether you guys appreciate or like what he gives us - you are going to have to learn to accept him as our QB.

You don't have to think he's all that - but he's ours - he is the face of the Falcons. He is a Falcon.

When you undermine the clear leader of the team - you undermine the Falcons. Just sayin'

Matt Ryan is in the top 2 in the most important stat of all - Most wins.

He is tied for the most wins at home as a starter in the league with 19-1 (with Danny White). If we win Monday night with Ryan as the starter - he will own the record in the NFL since the merger.

He is in 2nd place for most wins by a starter in the NFL in their first 3 years. Marino holds the record by 1 win. If we win our last 2 games - he will hold the NFL record for that.

As for the great stats you speak of ... He is

#1 in wins provided per year in the league with an average of 11 through this game

#2 in winning percentage overall in his career with 73.73% behind only Brady

#11 in completion % with 62.7 - above Big Ben on your elite list.

#11 in yards with 3321 - above Big Ben on your elite list and above Aaron Rodgers.

#6 in TDs with 25 - above Big Ben and above Aaron Rodgers.

#11 in least interceptions thrown - above Rivers, Rodgers, P Manning, E Manning and Brees

#5 in passing first downs - above E Manning, Brady, Rodgers and Big Ben

#13 in rating - above E Manning

#2 in 3rd down conversion % - above all but Brees

#1 in 4th down conversion % - above all

For all you calling people Homers who say Ryan is elite - the last time I looked - the article was written by Pat Y., who has not ever been a Falcons homer - ever.

By the way - the playoff win argument is as lame as any I've ever heard. The man has played 2 full years - taken us to the playoffs in his rookie year - and lost on the road.

He has also managed to get us to the playoffs twice now with a clinch this past Sunday. He hasn't played that game yet - but all of you are predetermining that he can't win a playoff game.

Do you even understand how asinine that whole argument is?

I for one, believe that if we had been healthier last year - he would have led us to playoffs then as well.

Remember folks, in our first 42 years, we made the playoffs 8 times. Ryan has now achieved getting us there in his first 3 years.

In our first 45 years, we only won a playoff game 6 times. I believe Ryan will have that number beat before his 6th year!