Draft Debacled-Falconator - this is MY 1st rd. mock up on Walterfootball.com today

[Sporkdevil]

(02-15-2011 12:27 PM)g-dawg Wrote:  no DEs available will be worth the #27 pick in my estimation - I think there could be 3-4 DE's available (Allen Bailey, Cameron Heyward, JJ Watt) to name a few - but that is not what the Falcons need - none of those guys are going to be playmakers/pass rushers at the next level in my opinion.

Exactly what I'm thinking. I think Heyward and Watt are really 3-4 DE's, and we don't need another Jamaal Anderson hybrid guy. Not sure if Bailey has an actual spot, and he certainly isn't worth a 1st round pick. I don't think we should be picking best defensive end available when no one fits the scheme or is worth that 1st.

[g-dawg]

(02-15-2011 01:51 PM)Sporkdevil Wrote:  Exactly what I'm thinking. I think Heyward and Watt are really 3-4 DE's, and we don't need another Jamaal Anderson hybrid guy. Not sure if Bailey has an actual spot, and he certainly isn't worth a 1st round pick. I don't think we should be picking best defensive end available when no one fits the scheme or is worth that 1st.

this is my point Spork.....

I think the LTs will be gone: (Solder, Castonzo, Sherrod, Tyron Smith)
The WRs will be gone: (AJ Green, Julio Jones)
The DEs will be gone: (Bowers, Quinn, Kerrigan)
The CBs will be gone: (Peterson, Akamura, Brandon Harris)

Those are our positions of need.

The players I like after those relatively high are:

CB-Jimmy Smith (could be a decent value at #27)
CB-Aaron Williams (not #27 worthy)
WR-Titus Young (not #27 worthy)
WR-Leonard Hankerson (not #27 worthy)

of the 4 listed above, the only one I might feel good about taking at #27 is Jimmy Smith - the others I would rather take 10-15 spots later.

[Sporkdevil]

(02-15-2011 02:00 PM)g-dawg Wrote:  this is my point Spork.....

I think the LTs will be gone: (Solder, Castonzo, Sherrod, Tyron Smith)
The WRs will be gone: (AJ Green, Julio Jones)
The DEs will be gone: (Bowers, Quinn, Kerrigan)
The CBs will be gone: (Peterson, Akamura, Brandon Harris)

Those are our positions of need.

The players I like after those relatively high are:

CB-Jimmy Smith (could be a decent value at #27)
CB-Aaron Williams (not #27 worthy)
WR-Titus Young (not #27 worthy)
WR-Leonard Hankerson (not #27 worthy)

of the 4 listed above, the only one I might feel good about taking at #27 is Jimmy Smith - the others I would rather take 10-15 spots later.

I've been looking into who would be worth the spot. Lots of draftniks are pretty high on Torrey Smith, speedster form Maryland. He needs some work, but could be a legit #2. I could see Jimmy Smith jumping up draft boards after an impressive combine. Bruce Carter from UNC may be worth it, but I would hope we keep Nicholas.

Man, end of the 1st round sucks.

[Beef]

(02-15-2011 02:00 PM)g-dawg Wrote:  this is my point Spork.....

I think the LTs will be gone: (Solder, Castonzo, Sherrod, Tyron Smith)
The WRs will be gone: (AJ Green, Julio Jones)
The DEs will be gone: (Bowers, Quinn, Kerrigan)
The CBs will be gone: (Peterson, Akamura, Brandon Harris)

Those are our positions of need.

The players I like after those relatively high are:

CB-Jimmy Smith (could be a decent value at #27)
CB-Aaron Williams (not #27 worthy)
WR-Titus Young (not #27 worthy)
WR-Leonard Hankerson (not #27 worthy)

of the 4 listed above, the only one I might feel good about taking at #27 is Jimmy Smith - the others I would rather take 10-15 spots later.

This is exactly why my very first mock had us taking Kyle Rudolph. And I still think that's a big possibility. He really is a good looking all-around TE. There's a reason he's the top ranked TE too. Is he a sexy pick & does he qualify as a "weapon"? Not really, but he IS better than Palmer & Peelle. And he has great hands & the ability to actually get YAC, which is something TG can't really do anymore. As a result, I think he can actually make an impact for us immediately.

That said, I also believe Hankerson will move up the draft board after the combine & Torrey Smith will move down below him (although he might still be picked up in rnd 1 by someone). And after watching Titus Young's videos, I'm not nearly as impressed as I am with Hankerson either. Smith & Young drop too many balls, it's that simple.

Again, Hankerson broke Andre Johnson's & Michael Irvin's yards & TD records on top of having 12 out of 13 games with a 50+ yard catch, which is crazy. He's way better than he's being projected simply because he was last clocked at 4.52. But he's a playmaker & is a lot quicker than he seems, just wait & see. I would have no problem with us taking him at 27.

[g-dawg]

(02-15-2011 06:24 PM)Beef Wrote:  This is exactly why my very first mock had us taking Kyle Rudolph. And I still think that's a big possibility. He really is a good looking all-around TE. There's a reason he's the top ranked TE too. Is he a sexy pick & does he qualify as a "weapon"? Not really, but he IS better than Palmer & Peelle. And he has great hands & the ability to actually get YAC, which is something TG can't really do anymore. As a result, I think he can actually make an impact for us immediately.

That said, I also believe Hankerson will move up the draft board after the combine & Torrey Smith will move down below him (although he might still be picked up in rnd 1 by someone). And after watching Titus Young's videos, I'm not nearly as impressed as I am with Hankerson either. Smith & Young drop too many balls, it's that simple.

Again, Hankerson broke Andre Johnson's & Michael Irvin's yards & TD records on top of having 12 out of 13 games with a 50+ yard catch, which is crazy. He's way better than he's being projected simply because he was last clocked at 4.52. But he's a playmaker & is a lot quicker than he seems, just wait & see. I would have no problem with us taking him at 27.

Beef, I know you like Hankerson - understatement of the year - but don't get all caught up in the "breaking Andre Johnson/MichaelIrvin's records" thing - that is a meaningless stat. College teams throw the ball so much more now than back then - and college stats don't mean anything in the NFL - ask Rashaam Salaam, Doug Flutie and others.......

having said that, Hankerson is on the radar.

[g-dawg]

I like Kyle Rudolph's gametape that I have seen - limited to Youtube Vids - but I think most of the clips were from Freshman season and he has an injury history.........guy has very good talent though - if/when healthy, he could be a very good player.

[Beef]

(02-15-2011 06:31 PM)g-dawg Wrote:  Beef, I know you like Hankerson - understatement of the year - but don't get all caught up in the "breaking Andre Johnson/MichaelIrvin's records" thing - that is a meaningless stat. College teams throw the ball so much more now than back then - and college stats don't mean anything in the NFL - ask Rashaam Salaam, Doug Flutie and others.......

having said that, Hankerson is on the radar.

To be honest, if you look at my first mock, Hankerson isn't even on it. I had been watching Smith, Young, Jernigan, Baldwin, & Brown mostly. But just this past week, I started watching a ton more WR vids & simply found that Hankerson, Cobb, Kerley, Jernigan, & Toliver looked better than those other guys.

And when I watch Julio Jones vids, I notice that Hankerson looks nearly the same. Same downhill running style. Same willingness to catch the ball at the highest point with his hands then come down & actually take a hit & try to turn up field. And some of his one-handed grabs are amazing. He's being tremendously overlooked.

And whether you give any credit for breaking Johnson's & Irvin's records or not, 15 TD's, nearly 1,200 yards on 72 receptions, & 14 catches over 50+ yards is impressive as hell, even in college. Especially considering Miami isn't that great & we don't hear much about their QB being some superstar.