Do you think we should draft a DB early ? and do you trust TD and his scouting of one

[Swift Is a Die Hard]

TD really has shit the bed when drafting corner prospects I really hope when a new CBA is ironed out we go out and get a veteran to fill in nickel . .Plus we also have to pay Grimes. I wouldnt find sense to spend a early pick 1st or 2nd ) on a corner when more then likely we will have our top 2 corners locked up for near future in Grimes and Dunta ...so then do we spend another mid round pick on a corner to try and find one that sticks

Franks
Chevis Jackson
Owens
Middelton


so far none of stuck or made a impact on this team outside the negative one Owens made in playoff game.

[ChrisD]

Only if Brandon Harris or Jimmy Smith is available. My thing is I'm not sure I'm interested in taking a DE. I'm not sold on what everyone says about Biermann not being an impact at DE. He had a ridiculous amount of pressures. He improves on his handwork against some of the better lineman in the league, and he can get those sacks.

I think we should wait one more season on a DE. (Or get one in the 2nd or 3rd round.) I've been jockeying back in forth on what I think we should take position wise in the first. Wide receiver would definitely be great, but the only one I'm interested in with the 27th pick is Leonard Hankerson. And I'm not sure if anyone in the NFL will value him in the first round because he's just flat out under-appreciated.

If Jimmy Smith or Brandon Harris are available, I think we need to grab one of those guys. Smith has been in some trouble, so I can see why they wouldn't want him, but he is one hell of a ball player. And I love how Brandon Harris plays at corner. I think he could definitely do well on our team, either as a nickel, or even a starting corner. I'm not ready to bench Dunta yet for him, but I think we could definitely use some help in the nickel.

Once the third round hits this season for corners, you can get somewhat the same value going into the 6th round. So if we don't get a corner in the 1st or 2nd round of this years draft, we are better off waiting until really late, or just sticking with what we have.

[Jesus]

Well when you spend $60 mill on one corner and the other is a pro bowler, there isn't much need to go DB early. We are looking for depth.

According to some press reports there are some in the organization who are really high on Franks. Besides Franks and Middleton were 5th round picks and traditionally 5th round picks are not expected to be more than depth. As for Owens, everyone had a bad game in the playoffs. I don't remember hearing Abe's name called all that often during the game and he is supposed to be one of the best, not a back up.

If you look at the the draft history over the past three drafts TD has taken at least 2 DB's in rounds 3-5 each year. Some workout some don't. DeCoud is starting and Schillinger was a ST star until he got hurt.

Look at the last three drafts only about 3 or 4 of those guys are no longer on the team. That's a lot of depth from the draft. Not bad for a team that went 33-15 over that time span.

TD is doing something right, don't ya think?

[Swift Is a Die Hard]

(04-21-2011 11:54 AM)ChrisD Wrote:  Only if Brandon Harris or Jimmy Smith is available. My thing is I'm not sure I'm interested in taking a DE. I'm not sold on what everyone says about Biermann not being an impact at DE. He had a ridiculous amount of pressures. He improves on his handwork against some of the better lineman in the league, and he can get those sacks.

Yea im not high on taking a DE early as well cause I want to see more development out of Bierman and spending a first round pick on a DE means we are basically giving up on him . Id rather wait to a new CBA is ironed out and then go after a veteran pass rusher DE and a nickel corner.

[cnasty]

Of the aforementioned 4, I think if we don't draft a CB early (which I see as a huge possibility), it will be because the coaching staff sees something in Owens and/or Franks. Yes, Owens got owned every time that he saw time last year; but he had to have shown them something to still be sticking around. As far as Franks, he was pretty damn good at OU. That doesn't always transfer but I can see them waiting to see how he performs at this level a little more before they go and try to give him the boot.

[Swift Is a Die Hard]

(04-21-2011 11:57 AM)Jesus Wrote:  Well when you spend $60 mill on one corner and the other is a pro bowler, there isn't much need to go DB early. We are looking for depth.

According to some press reports there are some in the organization who are really high on Franks. Besides Franks and Middleton were 5th round picks and traditionally 5th round picks are not expected to be more than depth. As for Owens, everyone had a bad game in the playoffs. I don't remember hearing Abe's name called all that often during the game and he is supposed to be one of the best, not a back up.

If you look at the the draft history over the past three drafts TD has taken at least 2 DB's in rounds 3-5 each year. Some workout some don't. DeCoud is starting and Schillinger was a ST star until he got hurt.

Look at the last three drafts only about 3 or 4 of those guys are no longer on the team. That's a lot of depth from the draft. Not bad for a team that went 33-15 over that time span.

TD is doing something right, don't ya think?

Im not sure what that playoff game will do to the confidence of Owens or the coaching staffs confidence in him . With that being said I think he does deserve a shot at nickel corner if coaching staff warrants it . Also I heard the coaching staff was not thrilled with Franks and actually have wrote him off as a wasted pick

Decoud - even though took a step back last year still a decent starter ..He was better in 09'
Moore- stepped up last year I think our future is bright there


I think if we can get a better pass rusher with a veteran DE & and a nickel corner
we will be set going forward on defense ..Do I ever think we will be a great defense no but our defense should atleast be respectable

[cnasty]

(04-21-2011 11:59 AM)Swift Is a Die Hard Wrote:  ...spending a first round pick on a DE means we are basically giving up on him .

I don't necessarily agree with that. Abe is getting old. We will need someone to plug in for him. Future needs are important as well. I guarantee you that the coaching staff is well aware of what Bierman Did or did not do this season.

[Swift Is a Die Hard]

(04-21-2011 12:04 PM)cnasty Wrote:  I don't necessarily agree with that. Abe is getting old. We will need someone to plug in for him. Future needs are important as well. I guarantee you that the coaching staff is well aware of what Bierman Did or did not do this season.

that is true ..but lets say we spend that 1st round pick on Abe replacement (Abe also being a FA) as well next year but can you imagine if TD misfires on 1st round pick DE
going into the 2012 season our starting DES will be 1st round pick & Bierman thats a huge risk if you ask me..Then we will be forced to either go in free agency big after a DE or bring back Abe who I still think got another 2-3 years left .

I feel if we get a veteran pass rusher in DE this year a guy lets say like Osi (sign him to a mid tier contract) and bring him in that still allows Bierman to develop underneath Osi and Abe while

[cnasty]

I'd love to get a vet DE in FA. My personal feelings are just that it is unlikely we are pulling that trigger this year. I hope I'm wrong because a guy like Osi would add such a great dimension to our defense that would make us better at every level on that side of the ball.

[papachaz]

(04-21-2011 12:03 PM)Swift Is a Die Hard Wrote:  Im not sure what that playoff game will do to the confidence of Owens or the coaching staffs confidence in him . With that being said I think he does deserve a shot at nickel corner if coaching staff warrants it . Also I heard the coaching staff was not thrilled with Franks and actually have wrote him off as a wasted pick

Decoud - even though took a step back last year still a decent starter ..He was better in 09'
Moore- stepped up last year I think our future is bright there


I think if we can get a better pass rusher with a veteran DE & and a nickel corner
we will be set going forward on defense ..Do I ever think we will be a great defense no but our defense should atleast be respectable

i'd like to see a link or something concrete to back up that statement about Franks. as for do we have confidence in TD to pick, LMAO what a joke, do you have a freakin say in the matter? no, so all you SHOULD do as a Falcons fan, is hope for the best and support WHOEVER they pick, but of course, your history proves you won't do that.

as for impact by previous pick. Owens closed out the 09 season very strong, if we hadn't picked up DRob, Owens would have been one of our starters. coach also said in an interview that owens was slated to be the starting nickel next season, like it or not, unless we make a big move somewhere, i have no reason to expect any different, unless Franks really shows out in TC, provided of course there is TC... i'll go look for the link to that interview, meantime, it's back to the norm, you know, swift bashing the FO....