Dmitrioff needs to take a Huge HUGE HIT

[Radical]

(02-02-2011 07:34 PM)Mike Mayock, NFL Network: Wrote:  Hey, Jared... Dez Bryant physically reminds me of Andre Johnson. They each have a great frame, tremendous speed and acceleration, and very strong hands to fight for the football. Dez has to prove that he has the work ethic and intelligence of Andre Johnson.

[Jayhawk-Falcon2012]

Quote:
1) Dez Bryant reminds you most of which reciever in the league currently?

Mike Mayock, NFL Network:
Hey, Jared... Dez Bryant physically reminds me of Andre Johnson. They each have a great frame, tremendous speed and acceleration, and very strong hands to fight for the football. Dez has to prove that he has the work ethic and intelligence of Andre Johnson.

See and on this point I'd agree with Mayock. But there's also his doubt on his work ethic and intelligence. Who's to say Dez won't go crazy and pull a J-russell.

Point is, unless you're in the War-room and with the Scouts when they're interviewing players, you can't say TD made a bad decision. Maybe TD/Smitty had reasons they didn't want Dez.

You just always seem so 100% right and everyone else is wrong and can't be right because you've been a fan of 25+ years. Okay sure you've got 25 years worth of football watching under your belt, but you're gonna have to cut back on the super-hate you've been posting around the boards.

I'll also say Yeah sure i'd like TD to have gotten some other players, but you know you're going to have to just hope their choices pan out. And like another poster said you can't expect a few of our draft picks to just be HOF ready in a year, they're young and some have some learning to do.

If you're theory was correct the NFL wouldn't be so lopsided sometimes because All the players would just be so good coming into the NFL.

To wrap this up, I support what TD and Co. has done so far, and I'll stand behind their pick until they get rid of said player and make an evaluation from there, but for you to Criticize Ryan so heavily/ALL THE TIME, just doesn't help anyone. Just pisses more people off.

I'll agree in the three years Ryan has been here I'd have hoped he has learned to not make a throw like he did before the half. But the thing i take from that is he's gonna learn from that mistake and tweak his decision making.

Heck even on that throw to Jenks when he fell. Sure it was thrown late, but thats something he and jenks are gonna have to work on in the Off-season. Honestly i feel him and Jenks aren't on the same wavelength that Roddy and Ryan are on.

for those TL;DR

1. Lay off the hater-ade
2. Give ryan some more time, remember we weren't even considered contenders till after the miracle season.
3. Matt is smart and is still learning.

[Beef]

(02-02-2011 07:16 PM)Swift Is a Die Hard Wrote:  TD has had 3 drafts .. and this team hasnt won a playoff game

It's ridiculous that you consider this some huge terrible thing. You're horrible at this stuff if your expectations are really this far out of wack. It's completely unreasonable to believe we should be world beaters IN the 3rd year of a new regime. And we were only IN the 3rd year. And aside from what you have as crazy high expectations, the rest of the sane world realizes we are actually ahead of realistic expectations.

Quote:..who is not being patient am I saying FIRE TD ? so who really is the insane one.

Oh definitely you.

Quote:He gave a ridiculous contract to DB that we def overpaid for ..

You make these outlandish absolute type statements too much. Isn't it getting old having to flip-flop on things like this? You remember hating on Ryan then after the Ravens game jumping back on his bandwagon completely contradicting yourself & then jumping back off again? Do you not see the pattern?

So what if... seriously what IF Dunta wracks up 7 interceptions, 20 passes defended, & 80 tackles next season? You realize that making such definitive claims that get shot down (which happens a lot to you) makes you look like a huge idiot, right?

Get some sense dude. Quit using hindsight as a basis for arguments & quit making absolute statements that only a psychic could say.

Quote:this team had no excuses ..we were healthy and in our building ..we got DESTROYED

We could have beat them but we just played bad. It happens to even the best teams. Ever heard the term, "Any given Sunday"? It actually stands for something. You choosing to ignore the fact that we beat them earlier in the season proves we can play better. We just didn't on that playoff day.

Quote:so who is to blame ? why did in year 3 of this so called process we get embarrassed was this in the plan just to win regular season games...

Right, we're playing only for the regular season. That's a brilliant attempt at sarcasm. Not. Seriously, does a 10 year old come up with most of your material?

Quote:ROME WASNT BUILT overnight but who is saying this team truly is heading in right direction?

Uhh, it's pretty obvious the trajectory is pointing upwards. 4-12, 11-5, 9-7, to 13-3. Yep, upwards. And pretty damn fast.



Simply put, your expectations are just outrageously over the top. We were blessed to get in the playoffs year 1. We were plagued with overwhelming & uncontrollable injuries (NOT TD's FAULT!!) in year 2. And we yet again over-acheived with 13-3 in year 3.

This team still has obvious holes at very key positions & 3rd-7th rounds picks aren't going to fill them. You can't fill all the holes a 4-12 team in shambles has completely in just 3 years. And to think you can simply means you're bad at this stuff. You're an embarrassment to yourself.

[Swift Is a Die Hard]

(02-02-2011 07:57 PM)Beef Wrote:  This team still has obvious holes at very key positions & 3rd-7th rounds picks aren't going to fill them. You can't fill all the holes a 4-12 team in shambles has completely in just 3 yehttp://atlantafalconstalk.com/newreply.php?tid=3671&pid=52178ars. And to think you can simply means you're bad at this stuff. You're an embarrassment to yourself.

2004 ' season the team went to the NFC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME ..so basically 4 years removed from that .. 07' we had a poor season cause our QB went to jail and our coach bailed..but the team was 8-8 .500 club prior

Rich McKay picks have been just as important to this franchise as TD picks have
and McKay was relieved of his duties ...and under his watch the team actually won playoff games.. REMEMBER WHEN EVERYONE THOUGHT HE WAS THE SAVIOR ? LOL

Roddy White
Ovie..free agent
Abe as a free agent
Babs....
Snelling
Brent Grimes
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On to TD ..

He brought in our franchise QB ...check mark .
He brought our future MLB
He brought in a HOF TE ........move hasnt panned out as planned but helped us win regular season games
He has brought in the rb (who is LIMITED by Radical standards since he cant catch passes)

My opinion Turner has been solid and is one of top backs in league..

He has had 3 drafts ..3 years to fix the defense..

He brings in Dunta Robinsoon.........first years was quite disappointment
He drafts Perria Jerry injured
He drafts Weatherspoon ..ok but had some injuries as well

Outside Curtis Lofton his MLB the only defensive player he has brought on in THREE FULL YEARS that has made a MAJOR IMPACT on this franchise is Curtis Lofton


that is as of now but things can change ..


am i missing anything

[Radical]

(02-02-2011 08:26 PM)Swift Is a Die Hard Wrote:  On to TD ..

He brought in our franchise QB ...check mark .
He brought our future MLB
He brought in a HOF TE ........move hasnt panned out as planned but helped us win regular season games
He has brought in the rb (who is LIMITED by Radical standards since he cant catch passes)

My opinion Turner has been solid and is one of top backs in league..

He has had 3 drafts ..3 years to fix the defense..

He brings in Dunta Robinsoon.........first years was quite disappointment
He drafts Perria Jerry injured
He drafts Weatherspoon ..ok but had some injuries as well

Outside Curtis Lofton his MLB the only defensive player he has brought on in THREE FULL YEARS that has made a MAJOR IMPACT on this franchise is Curtis Lofton

that is as of now but things can change ..

am i missing anything

Drafted franchise QB
RB(who is a great runner, but we need a change of pace to go with him)
Brought in staff that actually utilized Dahl and Clabo
Resigned Roddy White and Michael Jenkins
Brought in a great TE who's played pretty well, but his 10 play didn't match his 09 play
Drafted franchise MLB
Drafted starting LDE
Drafted starting DT next to Babs
Brought in LOLB
Drafted ROLB
Drafted starting SS
Drafted starting FS
Took Grimes from being nth string to #1 Pro Bowl CB
Brought in other CB

Took us from 4-12 and hellacious garbage to 3 straight winning seasons and play-offs.

But yeah, he clearly doesn't know what he is doing and we're on the decline. Clearly Swifty knows what he's talking about... if we'd listened to him we'd have a bust greater than Jamaal Anderson in Vernon Gholston, Byron Leftwich or Chad Henne at QB, Mike Singletary at coach, Chris Owens starting with Grimes on the bench and Dunta being the #1 CB, and just about every draft pick outside of Lofton and Dwight Lowery would be wastes. Oh yeah, injuries everywhere with Dez Bryant being wasted for lack of a QB and ending up injured anyways. Oh wait, here's some good news! Offseason drama with Everson Griffen assaulting a police officer. GREAT!

Nice. Swift, you don't know WTF you're talking about. You've proved it time after time again. Just give it up, because you've PROVEN you're clueless.

[Swift Is a Die Hard]

(02-02-2011 08:50 PM)Radical Wrote:  Resigned Roddy White and Michael Jenkins

lol ...lol that is all I have to say to that not LOL at resigning them but you listing it ....and Roddy also held out

funny I didnt see you list him resigning Chauncey Davis and giving a $$$ to Dunta Robinson


it is what it is

[Radical]

(02-02-2011 11:19 PM)Swift Is a Die Hard Wrote:  lol ...lol that is all I have to say to that not LOL at resigning them but you listing it ....and Roddy also held out

funny I didnt see you list him resigning Chauncey Davis and giving a $$$ to Dunta Robinson

it is what it is

What does holding out of have to do with anything?

You wanted Dunta Robinson. You were happy to have him. Again, flip-flop. Does not listing him resigning a solid back-up DE change anything.

Once again, Swifty can't address half of what anyone says. He just picks out something, twists it into whatever he wants, and then rants like a lunatic.

I used to call you Swiftbitch, because you were always the first to do it at the first sign of anything potentially going wrong. Now I might have to call you Swiftflop, because you flip flop all over the place in your arguments. Which ever side gives you the most to bitch about is the side you always take. Isn't that right, Swiftflop?

[Duff_Man]

(02-02-2011 12:49 PM)Swift Is a Die Hard Wrote:  All we heard about TD is being this great scout half of this fan base TALKS like he can do no wrong . I dont see him as that . His draft picks have ok at best . He has not brought on a play maker that opposing teams can game plan around.

Chris Owens...was a 3rd round pick
Chevis Jackson a 3rd round pick
Perria Jerry a 1st round pick
Sidbury .............. a 4th round project
Harry Douglas a 3rd rounder


all these players future is basically up in the air...you can say to yourself in 3 years from now not one might be on this team ..Thats pretty sad to think from a guy that get touted as this GREAT SCOUT ..he is far from it


Top it off he gave Dunta Robinson a HUGE HUGE CONTRACT ...when do great franchises like the Steelers ever sign HIGH PRIZED free agentd ? Ill answer they dont..THEY DRAFT WISELY

Steelers draft picks make the team about 50% of the time. Hell, even James Harrison has been cut by multiple teams. Look at the 2010 draft:

1st Round
Maurkice Pouncey - C/G - Flordia

2nd Round
Jason Worilds - OLB - Virginia Tech

3rd Round
Emmanuel Sanders - WR - SMU

4th Round
Thaddeus Gibson - OLB - Ohio State

5th Round (1st selection)
Chris Scott - OT - Tennessee

5th Round (2nd selection)
Crezdon Butler - CB - Clemson

5th Round (3rd selection)
Stevenson Sylvester - LB - Utah

6th Round (1st selection)
Jonathan Dwyer - RB - Georgia Tech
-- Dwyer Bio, Audio and Transcripts

6th Round (2nd selection)
Antonio Brown - WR - Central Michigan

7th Round
Doug Worthington - DL - Ohio State

Honestly. Go here: Steelers Drafts and actually do your homework. They draft TONS of flops. The difference is that the Steelers know who fits and who doesn't. They will let guys marinate in their system for YEARS and let them become impact players later. James Harrison is a prime example of that. Dude was too dumb to grasp the playbook and had been cut for years until he could get a grasp for the game.

You need the NFL Ticket or something because it is fairly obvious you get all your info from highlight shows.

Oh yeah, and we may have drafted a project DE in the 4th round, but the Steelers drafted a PUNTER in the 4th. Your head would explode if we did that. At least Sidbury may develop into something special.

[phalcon phil]

Swift isn't a TD hater. He's like me, he just doesn't see why everybody is on his dick like he's some kind of genius when he's far from it. I like TD and I like his approach for the most part but the results just aren't there. I don't think we need to fire him or anything drastic like that. But he could adjust the way he looks at things and how much confidence he is putting in his picks. If his ego weren't so big maybe he would have given a Santonio Holmes a shot, when he was to be had on the cheap, or shored up the situation at DE. He put too much confidence in small school guys to turn into "gems" of the draft and left big holes unfilled. Can you imagine what our pass rush would look like if Abe had gone down for the season? Not that it could have gotten much more pathetic, but just stop and wonder for a second. TD's ego let him believe his picks were going to do fine. They didn't. Time to man up and bring in some talent to rush the passer.

[Jayhawk-Falcon2012]

(02-03-2011 01:38 PM)phalcon phil Wrote:  Swift isn't a TD hater. He's like me, he just doesn't see why everybody is on his dick like he's some kind of genius when he's far from it. I like TD and I like his approach for the most part but the results just aren't there. I don't think we need to fire him or anything drastic like that. But he could adjust the way he looks at things and how much confidence he is putting in his picks. If his ego weren't so big maybe he would have given a Santonio Holmes a shot, when he was to be had on the cheap, or shored up the situation at DE. He put too much confidence in small school guys to turn into "gems" of the draft and left big holes unfilled. Can you imagine what our pass rush would look like if Abe had gone down for the season? Not that it could have gotten much more pathetic, but just stop and wonder for a second. TD's ego let him believe his picks were going to do fine. They didn't. Time to man up and bring in some talent to rush the passer.

Yeah but who's to say that TD isn't getting guys like the Steelers are doing. Getting them developed into the system so that when they do fully understand the scheme and have bulked/gained/loss whatever need physically that they don't come in and make a strong impact.

I'll be the first to say I wish we could draft A++++ all the time and have instant playmakers across the board, but sometimes you miss and sometimes you hit a home run, other times you make a solid hit and get a solid player.

Again I'm not completely on TD's shaft, haha, but I'll say i support his decision and have faith that he's doing the best he can for the present and future so that this franchise doesn't go from Playoff considerations every year to well...the Lions.

So far we're all kinda pickin on Swifty, and there's reason for it. but you also need to look at our team unbiased and see that there are mistakes and measures need to be taken to improve. If we all keep our rose-colored glasses we're gonna slowly get worse as a whole.

If you all can't tell, i'm trying to stay as middle as possible =D

Take it easy fellers and gals.