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NOVAFalconFan · 07-30-2012, 11:23 AM

If Brent Musburger thinks the NCAA penalties are supposed to stop child abuse, he is more of an ignorant old fuck than I thought. I am pretty sure that deciding to stop child rape should be a no-brainer for most people. In fact, I would like to think that even debating whether you should cover up one child rape to protect your football program's reputation wouldn't even cross most people's minds. The idea that people would cover up for on-going child rape for decades to protect their football program's reputation would have been incomprehensible for me a year and a half ago. This isn't a football player trading autographs for nice suits, or a basketball player getting a DUI and having the coaches talk to campus police to make it go away. I actually don't have much of a moral dilemma about those instances. People will always use position and influence. However, the NCAA cares about that stuff, or acts like it does, anyways. In light of the fact that CHILDREN WERE BEING RAPED, I think they should have gone much, much further. How devoid of a moral compass would Brent have to be to not understand that?

Beef · 07-30-2012, 11:48 AM

(07-30-2012 09:15 AM)Drathdon Wrote: The NCAA may have a job, but it is only to police their own policies, not step outside their abilities and police universities for anything they feel like, including criminal activities. They do not have that power.

Brent Musburger made similar comments on PTI this past week. He stated, "When they (the NCAA) start investigating criminal activity, that is a very slippery slope for them."

"They talked about culture, there's only one way you're going to change the culture in big time college football - take down the scoreboards."

"I think it was basically a PR move… this is not a football story, this is a story about a pedophile who happened to be a football coach."

"To me it is about those victims being taken care of, it's about talking about child abuse. It's not about talking about a coach's victories, it's not about talking about off tackle plays. I think the NCAA did us a horrendous disservice by pushing football back to the front and the victims to the back. Go take a look at the sports pages today and see what the stories are all about."

"If I thought for a moment the NCAA penalties were going to stop child abuse across the country, I'd say go for it. I know better than that."

"...this is not a football story, this is a story about a pedophile who happened to be a football coach."

Except it is a football story. A football institution covered up a crime directly because they were trying to protect the reputation of the football institution. And they did it because they had gotten too powerful and thought they could.

All the nay sayers against the NCAA's punishment are contending that this is about the actual crime, that NCAA is punishing PSt because of and based on the physical crime. That is NOT the case.

The NCAA didn't "investigate criminal activity" as Musburger suggests. Freeh did that. And Freeh's report simply confirmed the cover up by the football institution.

The NCAA punished PSt soley on their blatent lack of institutional control and failure to be prudent as a direct result of overwhelmingly inflated power given to the football program.

If any player or coach on any college team in this country does something wrong and the football institution repeatedly covers it up and ignores it, no matter what that "wrong" is, that football institution is stepping over it's bounds.

swanlee · (This post was last modified: 07-30-2012 02:29 PM by swanlee.)

(07-29-2012 06:28 PM)Passepartout Wrote: NCAA whether you like them or not, or agree or disagree with them. Still they have a job to do. And that they are entitled to do it. Sorry folks.

Yep the NCAA had to punish the institution, the people effected by the punishment should blame PSU for covering up some of the most shameful things to ever be discovered at a major school.

The NCAA can easily live with being called to harsh in this case, they could not deal with the effects of doing nothing when dozens and dozens of children were raped at PSU and the entire institution covered it up.

Drathdon · (This post was last modified: 07-30-2012 03:29 PM by Drathdon.)

I get the feeling too many of you here seem to think the NCAA is the "College Police" in all senses, and not just an organizer of athletics, as it actually is.

Many are giving them power they simply do not have.

I am against any organization taking more power than they should, be it the police, the government, or the NCAA. I guess we have a fundamental difference of opinion on that, which I consider an aspect of freedom.

The NCAA did not "have to act," as some have implied, no more than Homeland Security or even Roger Goodell had to, because none of those people had a responsibility in this matter when acting within the limits of their job.

The NCAA has taken the focus off of the people, like the Governor, whom we should be making answer for their role in allowing these victims to be hurt. Those people may now not get the justice they deserve because the NCAA decided to make a PR move, and put the attention on the NCAA. All the talk is now about the NCAA and Football, and not where it should be focused, all because the NCAA overreacted in a knee-jerk bid for headlines.

NOVAFalconFan · 07-30-2012, 03:45 PM

(07-30-2012 03:25 PM)Drathdon Wrote: The NCAA has taken the focus off of the people, like the Governor, whom we should be making answer for their role in allowing these victims to be hurt. Those people may now not get the justice they deserve because the NCAA decided to make a PR move, and put the attention on the NCAA. All the talk is now about the NCAA and Football, and not where it should be focused, all because the NCAA overreacted in a knee-jerk bid for headlines.

Criminal prosecution for the guilty is completely unrelated to both NCAA punishment and to media visibility, I assure you. If Pennsylvania prosecutors elect to not pursue the Governor and others, it is because they are making a conscious decision not to, not because they think "oh, the NCAA already handled that". If they do, in fact, make a conscious decision not to seek justice, they would have done so regardless of the NCAA, and that would speak as much as anything about how this all happened in the first place.

***phocis850*** · 07-30-2012, 03:49 PM

I believe differently.

You can't say the NCAA has no power over what just happened, when PSU is buying into the NCAA program to allow competing against other NCAA football teams. The NCAA laid down the law saying that they will not be lied to and they will not deem any lingering unacceptable action appropriate. The NCAA punished the entire football program. They were entitled to do so.

Beef · (This post was last modified: 07-30-2012 05:33 PM by Beef.)

(07-30-2012 03:25 PM)Drathdon Wrote: I get the feeling too many of you here seem to think the NCAA is the "College Police" in all senses, and not just an organizer of athletics, as it actually is.

Many are giving them power they simply do not have.

I am against any organization taking more power than they should, be it the police, the government, or the NCAA. I guess we have a fundamental difference of opinion on that, which I consider an aspect of freedom.

The NCAA did not "have to act," as some have implied, no more than Homeland Security or even Roger Goodell had to, because none of those people had a responsibility in this matter when acting within the limits of their job.

The NCAA has taken the focus off of the people, like the Governor, whom we should be making answer for their role in allowing these victims to be hurt. Those people may now not get the justice they deserve because the NCAA decided to make a PR move, and put the attention on the NCAA. All the talk is now about the NCAA and Football, and not where it should be focused, all because the NCAA overreacted in a knee-jerk bid for headlines.

The NCAA has the power to enforce the rules of athletic institutions in college. How you don't see the football program covering up wrong doings for the sole purpose of protecting the reputation of that football program as being a football issue is baffling. They clearly broke rules surrounding institutional control which certainly do fall under the NCAAs jurisdiction and right.

juraitwaluzka · 07-30-2012, 08:44 PM

Another thing to remember is the PSU agreed to the penalties, so they seem to believe the NCAA has jurisdiction. Either that or the acts that happened on their watch were so bad they must feel like they deserve it.

So, who has the most at stake, the most to lose, PSU, that's who, so if they are getting the shaft why don't they fight it, file a lawsuit, something... They know the same thing that the NCAA does, it simply is better for them in the long run to bend over and take it, rightly or wrongly.

Sure, we can argue semantics and say that the NCAA didn't have to do anything, and technically that's true, but you're crazy if you think anyone at NCAA HQ was going to try and weather the PR shit storm created if they were to sit back and say "No penalties, not our jurisdiction", not to mention the possibility of opening themselves up to potential lawsuits and who knows what else. You're talking about child rape, give that to a jury and all bets are off.

Plus, as said before, they were penalized for the cover up, the severity of the penalty is directly proportional to what was being covered up.

This is why Ga. Tech had their 2009 ACC title, vacated and got 4 years probation, because they didn't play ball with the NCAA investigators, not over $300 worth of clothes/shoes.

swanlee · 07-31-2012, 09:37 AM

(07-30-2012 03:25 PM)Drathdon Wrote: I get the feeling too many of you here seem to think the NCAA is the "College Police" in all senses, and not just an organizer of athletics, as it actually is.

Many are giving them power they simply do not have.

I am against any organization taking more power than they should, be it the police, the government, or the NCAA. I guess we have a fundamental difference of opinion on that, which I consider an aspect of freedom.

The NCAA did not "have to act," as some have implied, no more than Homeland Security or even Roger Goodell had to, because none of those people had a responsibility in this matter when acting within the limits of their job.

The NCAA has taken the focus off of the people, like the Governor, whom we should be making answer for their role in allowing these victims to be hurt. Those people may now not get the justice they deserve because the NCAA decided to make a PR move, and put the attention on the NCAA. All the talk is now about the NCAA and Football, and not where it should be focused, all because the NCAA overreacted in a knee-jerk bid for headlines.

Yea the NCAA had to do something, the entire thing revolved around NCAA football and the facilities of the football team. Yes this was a highly unusual case, but it was an institutional issues from top to bottom directly involving Football operation and people high up in the Football program.

The NCAA acted and punished PSU and PSU accepted the punishment. This is the end of the story and honestly your opinion has no bearing on anything. You can feel how ever you want to about the NCAA but since PSU accepted the penalties then your pretty much wrong. The NCAA can, did and will do this type of thing again if something similar happens.