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Beef · (This post was last modified: 07-01-2012 09:44 PM by Beef.)

(07-01-2012 09:24 PM)Drathdon Wrote: Hawks trade anything good away for nothing? Yeah, sounds like them.

The most mediocre team ever keeps striving for a perfect balance of enough talent to sell some seats but not enough to win anything that matters.

No this would be AWESOME!!

You don't understand, Joe Johnson has a freaking max contract for like another 4 years, making over $21 million/yr and he's completely holding us back from actually doing ANYTHING.

If we get 3 or 4 guys with expiring contracts and free up all that money, and it saves us 3 more years stuck with the Hamburgler (Joe), then it's a true blessing.

Right now, the ONLY other option is to try to trade Josh Smith and I don't think they want to do that. Josh is the only thing that puts fans in the seats at the moment.

If we got rid of Joe, we would actually have real money to go after a superstar for a change.

RFlagg · 07-01-2012, 09:55 PM

(07-01-2012 09:43 PM)Beef Wrote: No this would be AWESOME!!

You don't understand, Joe Johnson has a freaking max contract for like another 4 years, making over $21 million/yr and he's completely holding us back from actually doing ANYTHING.

If we get 3 or 4 guys with expiring contracts and free up all that money, and it saves us 3 more years stuck with the Hamburgler (Joe), then it's a true blessing.

Right now, the ONLY other option is to try to trade Josh Smith and I don't think they want to do that. Josh is the only thing that puts fans in the seats at the moment.

If we got rid of Joe, we would actually have real money to go after a superstar for a change.

Exactly, I'd take a bad season to get rid of JJ's contract and free up $20 million a season.

Drathdon · 07-01-2012, 10:46 PM

But guys... this is the front office that made that move to begin with. And all the other moves. What makes you think they would not do worse with the money? The might even resign these castoffs and call them a team. JJ is never going to win anything, but at least he is mediocre. The front office will likely not even get mediocre in return. They could just take the crap season, lose Smith (whom I've heard mentioned as targeted by other teams), and have the team move when Atlanta fails to support the losing misfits they throw on the court.

Until this ownership quagmire is solved, mediocre is the best we can hope for.

Beef · 07-01-2012, 11:31 PM

(07-01-2012 10:46 PM)Drathdon Wrote: But guys... this is the front office that made that move to begin with. And all the other moves. What makes you think they would not do worse with the money? The might even resign these castoffs and call them a team. JJ is never going to win anything, but at least he is mediocre. The front office will likely not even get mediocre in return. They could just take the crap season, lose Smith (whom I've heard mentioned as targeted by other teams), and have the team move when Atlanta fails to support the losing misfits they throw on the court.

Until this ownership quagmire is solved, mediocre is the best we can hope for.

I guess you missed the part where Danny Farry was now the GM and calling all the player personnel shots.

He did a damn good job with the Spurs. And as much as people want to criticize Cleveland, he put together a team that went to the finals. LaBron didn't do that all by himself, the other players around him were good compliments. He knows what he's doing.

Farry is a better personnel guy than people realize.

Drathdon · 07-02-2012, 02:21 AM

Farry gets credit for things he shouldn't. The Spurs were inherited by him. And his Cleveland additions to help Lebron (who did it on his own) amounted to Antawn Jamison and a washed-up Shaq. This after he started his career off with a shit-the-bed lineup of the signing of Larry Hughes, then Damon Jones and Donyell Marshall in the same off-season. He also drafted Shannon Brown. Hardly something to build a resume on.

Beef · 07-02-2012, 08:22 AM

Ok well he's been here a week and just drafted the best pure shooter in all of college basketball at #23, somehow got a second 20/10 guy at #43 who has great upside, and is orchestrating a deal to unload Joe Johnson's insane contract. That's pretty damn good stuff.

You can keep shitting on the guy and acting like he's destined to make the same horrible decisions the Hawks are accustomed to and be all glass is half empty pessimistic complainer if you want, but he's so far done an excellent job.

If he gets this deal done to move Joe, he's already a brilliant GM in my book.

mdrake34 · 07-02-2012, 07:48 PM

WOW - in one day Danny Ferry got rid of Joe Johnson and traded Marvin Williams for Devin Harris. In one week, he's already starting to give Dimitroff a run for his money.

RFlagg · 07-02-2012, 08:22 PM

(07-02-2012 07:48 PM)mdrake34 Wrote: WOW - in one day Danny Ferry got rid of Joe Johnson and traded Marvin Williams for Devin Harris. In one week, he's already starting to give Dimitroff a run for his money.

Ok, without knowing how much Stevenson is going to be paid, but assuming it will be around last season's salary of $2.5 mil, the Hawks are saving about $4.5 mil against the cap this season, around $28 mil, next season, then $23.1 and $24.8 the following 2 seasons. I say worth it.

Drathdon · 07-02-2012, 08:55 PM

This just seems really close to the Bobcats style... trade off all the assets for contracts that will expire, suck badly, and then hope to hit a home run with a couple of high drafts to make the team a winner.

Problem with that is that takes 3 years to be 3 years away if you get lucky with perfect picks. Miss your picks like they did, and you spend 3 years before you have to try the whole thing again... over and over in their case.

I do not want to sit and watch that kind of product for years hoping they finally get lucky on a draft pick. As much as I hated mediocrity, I cannot stand a franchise putting inferior product on the court and promising to do something in the future with all the money they have built up, all while not cutting ticket costs - making the franchise money at the fans' expense. If we aren't careful, they will use the resulting drops in ticket sales as an excuse to move the team.

Yes, my frustration with the Hawks is much greater than anything the Falcons ever made me feel, even under Rankin Smith. That says something, and makes it hard for me to be optimistic about an inferior GM blowing up what little we did have. How can I hope for Farry to use the money and draft he is positioning himself for, when he considers Larry Hughes, Damon Jones, Donyell Marshall and Shannon Brown to be franchise-saving talent? The man has no eye for players, unlike TD.