ATL Sports: 2 Highschool players dead from heat, GHSA isnt doing anything about it

[Beef]

(08-04-2011 01:59 PM)Zodiac Wrote:  That's another problem.. School should not be starting at 7 or 8 in the morning. for one a teenager's body doesn't respond to that... and it's been proven it leads to increased stress among other things.

School needs to start at around 10 and end at 4 or 5... I mean we have buses to take kids to school in the morning and then the parents could come and pick them up on the way back home... this would also help keep the kids off the streets.

This country's education system is just a gigantic failure.

Nonsense. I've gotten up at 5:30am every morning for years. REAL business in this country starts by 7am.

I've never heard of any studies that say teenagers can't adjust properly and it's unhealthy for them to start their day early. That sounds like bleeding-heart liberal BS. In fact, I've read plenty of stuff to the contrary. That getting to bed by 10pm and getting up early, with a proper diet and exercise, is better than staying up late and getting up after the sun comes up.

When these kids get out of college and into the real world, the one's who are successful start when the other already successful people start. The ones who don't end up being employees of the ones who do. And, they're fat and lazy. And they end up breeding fat and lazy kids just like them.

I'm not sayin... I'm just sayin.

[Zodiac]

(08-04-2011 02:26 PM)Beef Wrote:  Nonsense. I've gotten up at 5:30am every morning for years. REAL business in this country starts by 7am.

I've never heard of any studies that say teenagers can't adjust properly and it's unhealthy for them to start their day early. That sounds like bleeding-heart liberal BS. In fact, I've read plenty of stuff to the contrary. That getting to bed by 10pm and getting up early, with a proper diet and exercise, is better than staying up late and getting up after the sun comes up.

When these kids get out of college and into the real world, the one's who are successful start when the other already successful people start. The ones who don't end up being employees of the ones who do. And, they're fat and lazy. And they end up breeding fat and lazy kids just like them.

I'm not sayin... I'm just sayin.

When these kids get out of college and into the real world their bodies will be adjusted to the more strenous demands of the real world. Now tell me how many teens do you know that go to bed at 10 and eat a healthy diet.

Not many.

This isn't a perfect world... and starting school at 7 AM, is minimizing the small window where teens are at their peak and can learn.

Now when you want to get the conservative shit out of your head, and also the Liberal Shit.

and realize the world of teenagers isn't made of straight-laced kids like in the '50s you might be able to understand just how stupid starting HS at 7 AM is.

[Beef]

(08-04-2011 11:04 PM)Zodiac Wrote:  When these kids get out of college and into the real world their bodies will be adjusted to the more strenous demands of the real world. Now tell me how many teens do you know that go to bed at 10 and eat a healthy diet.

Not many.

This isn't a perfect world... and starting school at 7 AM, is minimizing the small window where teens are at their peak and can learn.

Now when you want to get the conservative shit out of your head, and also the Liberal Shit.

and realize the world of teenagers isn't made of straight-laced kids like in the '50s you might be able to understand just how stupid starting HS at 7 AM is.

Let's just agree to disagree then cause I don't feel like looking up real studies on this to prove my point.

In the end, this country has a massive youth obesity problem and a growing population of kids who are lazy and think they're entitled to shit and they whine when it's hard. Complaining about getting up early is just one of those things contributing to the problem.

This has nothing to do with the 50's. There's a lack of discipline today and if you don't realize that, then I don't feel like going any further with you.

[Radical]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/educa...579951.stm

http://www.parentcentral.ca/parent/educa...es-improve

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story...Id=6896471

Injecting something better than verbal diarrhea into the discussion.

[Beef]

Ahh, so there are quantifiable "excuses" for why it's good to be lazy. I see. And people wonder why there's a problem.

So you can train your body to be stronger. You can train your mind to be smarter. You can learn to endure extreme colds or extreme heats. You can adjust to living below sea level or at extreme elevations. You can either become a couch potato or a world class marathon runner... all a bunch of things that involve physical and biological alterations and adaptations of your body and mind, yet it's impossible for kids to do anything of the sort. Children are some how immune or incapable of changing their biological cycles or habbits. Millions of years of organisms evolving and adapting to their environment and yet children are completely hard-wired and unable to adapt. Right.

Ok fine, you guys are right. This country is full of kids who are healthy and motivated. And it's a complete fluke when a 300 lb kid with 270 cholesteral and 500 blood-sugar on 3 hours of sleep (not because he got up too early, but because he was up til 4am playing video games) dehydrates and dies of heatstroke at football practice. They're not at all responsible for themselves. It's the school systems fault for getting them up too early.

Here's the funny thing about the 3 links you posted Radical... if you do a Google search on those topics, you get back 2 types of groups answering them. You got one group of health conscious people like yoga fanatics, triathletes, motivational speakers, and successful business people giving their "10 best reasons to get up early" stuff, and then you have colleges and institutes who've done studies telling folks that it's better to get up late, especially for children because this melatonin shit forces kids to stay up late. Gee, I wonder which side is correct.

Again, we'll just have to agree to disagree here. I think those articles and studies aren't diarrhea, I think they're total bullshit.

[Radical]

(08-05-2011 09:03 AM)Beef Wrote:  Ahh, so there are quantifiable "excuses" for why it's good to be lazy. I see. And people wonder why there's a problem.

So you can train your body to be stronger. You can train your mind to be smarter. You can learn to endure extreme colds or extreme heats. You can adjust to living below sea level or at extreme elevations. You can either become a couch potato or a world class marathon runner... all a bunch of things that involve physical and biological alterations and adaptations of your body and mind, yet it's impossible for kids to do anything of the sort. Children are some how immune or incapable of changing their biological cycles or habbits. Millions of years of organisms evolving and adapting to their environment and yet children are completely hard-wired and unable to adapt. Right.

Ok fine, you guys are right. This country is full of kids who are healthy and motivated. And it's a complete fluke when a 300 lb kid with 270 cholesteral and 500 blood-sugar on 3 hours of sleep (not because he got up too early, but because he was up til 4am playing video games) dehydrates and dies of heatstroke at football practice. They're not at all responsible for themselves. It's the school systems fault for getting them up too early.

Here's the funny thing about the 3 links you posted Radical... if you do a Google search on those topics, you get back 2 types of groups answering them. You got one group of health conscious people like yoga fanatics, triathletes, motivational speakers, and successful business people giving their "10 best reasons to get up early" stuff, and then you have colleges and institutes who've done studies telling folks that it's better to get up late, especially for children because this melatonin shit forces kids to stay up late. Gee, I wonder which side is correct.

Again, we'll just have to agree to disagree here. I think those articles and studies aren't diarrhea, I think they're total bullshit.

What are you expecting? The point is operating under ideal conditions, not forcing a standard for the sake of it. You can't argue with the hard data. Sure, we could also feed kids surplus MREs, have school start at 5:30, not provide any kind of AC/heating, and we could even have them walk to school as well. The best would be if we could get them to walk to school five miles, up hill, in the snow, both ways.

Link for the kids who died being ridiculously out of shape? I never even said anything about the kids or the practice. I never said that school needs to start at 10 and end at 5. The most I would advocate would be starting one hour later, and nothing more if that.

I'll take hard data over a list by some dickhead that does yoga every time by the way.

[Beef]

(08-05-2011 01:01 PM)Radical Wrote:  What are you expecting? The point is operating under ideal conditions, not forcing a standard for the sake of it. You can't argue with the hard data. Sure, we could also feed kids surplus MREs, have school start at 5:30, not provide any kind of AC/heating, and we could even have them walk to school as well. The best would be if we could get them to walk to school five miles, up hill, in the snow, both ways.

Link for the kids who died being ridiculously out of shape? I never even said anything about the kids or the practice. I never said that school needs to start at 10 and end at 5. The most I would advocate would be starting one hour later, and nothing more if that.

I'll take hard data over a list by some dickhead that does yoga every time by the way.

Or some dickhead triathlete who's in incredible shape or some millionaire business tycoon who runs a company.

Right, ignore all the others, only the yoga nuts matter.

And while your at it, lets ignore millions of years of evolution and adaptation for some studies that support hypotheses, which by the way are not proven theories. And then lets call those studies "hard data" just because it sounds better.

This is as bad as a global warming debate.

[Radical]

If the studies and experiments are showing a very large quantitative improvement in performance, what is there to argue? You really need to drop the, "kids these days are spoiled and entitled brats" fantasy. It's tired and old and it's been played to death by generation, after generation, after generation now.

[Hit Stick]

(08-03-2011 07:24 PM)Peyton Wrote:  I think they should just make them practice first thing in the morning or in the evening. I mean...practicing in football gear when it's 100+ degrees.....it's just stupid to expose teenagers to that.

It's stupid to put anyone in that kind of heat. At least most adults know when they're overheating and approaching a shut down, but kids are just out there really trying to be 'tough' instead of being smart about it.

[phocis850]

(08-05-2011 01:58 PM)Hit Stick Wrote:  It's stupid to put anyone in that kind of heat. At least most adults know when they're overheating and approaching a shut down, but kids are just out there really trying to be 'tough' instead of being smart about it.

High School football is extremely competitive. Players are nearly practicing year round now-a-days.